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office of the Lord

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Mayor good evening everyone and welcome

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to tonight's meeting i acknowledge the

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traditional custodians of the land seas

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and skies across the areas that we

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operate i acknowledge Elders who are

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resting in the dreaming the Elders of

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today and the Elders of the future that

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will continue to care and protect our

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country and the Wadi Wadi Nation also want

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to acknowledge that today is national

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sorry day a day that holds great

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significance as a moment of reflection

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empathy and healing for the historical

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injustices endured by the first nations

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people on behalf of Wollongong

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City Council we acknowledge the strength

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and resilience of the stolen generation

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survivors and their families if you can

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now stand if able for the civic

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prayer we who are gathered together in

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council pledge ourselves to work in

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harmony for the welfare and development

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of our city guide us we pray in our

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deliberations help us to be fair in our

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judgment and wise in our actions so that

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prosperity and happiness shall be the

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lot of our people Amen please be

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seated

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any apologies and applications for leave

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of absence may I move an apology and

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leave of absence for councilor Myers thank

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you the

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further move that an apology be

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accepted thank you do I need a second

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for that a second was councelor Quinn he

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had you stand up first all those in

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favor against declare that carried thank

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you confirmation of the minutes of the

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ordinary council meeting thank you Lord

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Mayor if I move the minutes of the 5th

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May be accept as true and accurate

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seconded councilor Docker all those in

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favor I against declare that carried

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thank you now move to conflicts of

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interest councelor Ann Martin thank you

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Lord Mayor i have a non pecuniary

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non-significant conflict  of interest

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in items four and seven item four being

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the public exhibition of a planning

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proposal  and  item seven being a

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post exhibition on the Forest Reach

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Horesley and Huntley planning proposal

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four and seven are both  around

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planning proposals i work for the

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Department of Planning Housing and

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Infrastructure i however have nothing to

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do with Wollongong my councils are in

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Western New South Wales i also have a

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non-pecuniary

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non-significant conflict of interest in

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an item  four that being the NES

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Hall in Port Kembla in so far i live in

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Cirra Street which is the same street

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however I will stay in the chamber for

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the conversations and the debate on all

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of those items thank you Councelor

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Campbell

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thank you Lord Mayor i rise to declare a

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conflict of interest a non-significant

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non-pecuniary one in that my home is in

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proximity to main street which is

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mentioned in item four and I also have a

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family member who lives in the

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approximate neighborhood

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of one of the items mentioned in

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Horsesley neither of those are pecuniary

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or very significant so I will stay and I

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will contribute to the debate thank you

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councelor Quinn thank you Lord Mayor 

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I have to declare a pecuniary interest

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in item 17  I am an employee of the

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university and so therefore I will leave

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the chamber along with  during the

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presentation for speaker number two I

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believe councelor Hayes

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thanks Lord Mayor same as councelor

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Quinn i'm an employee of UAW sorry no

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sorry a significant pecuniary interest in

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item 17  the nom about UAW thank you

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Council Morris thank you Lord Mayor  I

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have a conflict of interest with item 14

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the Port Kembla beach stormwater

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quality improvement device i am a 

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is a significant non-precuniary as I am

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related to a director of one of the

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tender  companies and I'll remove

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myself from the chamber during those

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discussions and votes thank you  since

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it's the night for it I also have a

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couple  re item nine i declare a

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non-pecuniary non-significant conflict of

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interest as I have a family member

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employed by transport for New South

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Wales  however they're not involved in

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that policy area as such I'll stay in

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the chamber for the debate um re item 17

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on UAW i also have a family member 

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impacted by the UAW changes so I

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declare a non-pecuniary but significant

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interest  and I will  depart the

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chamber for that item and for the public

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access speaker i think that's got

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everyone thank

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you  we now move to petitions and

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presentations council

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Stewart  thank you Lord Mayor  I was

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just given before the meeting a petition

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related to saving Goral Street Park in

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Kringilla

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 Wollongong City Council asking that

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the park be  retained for public land

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and to rescend the decision from the 5th

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of May there's 428

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 signituries here  I believe there's

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more but they may be provided separately

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so thank you Tony will take that for you

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council David Brown  thank you Lord

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Mayor i'd like to table a petition on

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behalf of 16 residents of Rosedale

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Avenue Kiraville  they are concerned

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about pedestrian and parking safety on

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their traffic safety on their street due

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to  sight lines caused by parked cars

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they also informed they've  sent that

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petition to the university and this

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matter is I understand already within

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our  within our request system as an

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item so I'll table that thank you

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council Stewart can you turn your light

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off thank you I have a presentation i

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had the honor of attending the gala

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dinner for the Conniston Football Club

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to celebrate their 70th anniversary

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 and I was pleased  on behalf of the

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city to receive a book that I will

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present to the library on the club's 70

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years  and also take the opportunity

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to recognize and thank  John Karionis

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who has been the president there for 15

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years and ended his term on Saturday 

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so very pleased and thank him for his

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contribution  to a terrific club so

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that's for the library thank

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you the public access forum i invite our

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first speaker Ben Tilman to the

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microphone hello  I'm Ben Tilman from

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Yours and Ours Festival  first off I'd

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like to thank Wollongong City  for all

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the hard work and support i'd like to

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thank all the counselors for your

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support as well  your belief in us and

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what we can bring to the city has made

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it possible  I'd like to thank the

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Lord Mayor for her support and advocacy

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over the years again we wouldn't be able

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to have done it without her

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 I'd also like to thank council

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executive and the events team  and

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probably apologize for all the headaches

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we've given them along the way as well

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 all in all we got the event done in

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March this year  despite you know I'm

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sure people have heard about the stuff

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in the media around you know festivals

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and music in general being a difficult

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time  we had a hugely successful event

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we had just under 15,000 people on site

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we managed to somehow get the again

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sorry council we got the Flagstaff Hill

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 site approved and you know the

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feedback from that has been incredible

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it's an iconic site that people from

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around the world are now commenting on

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um we had over 400 pieces of domestic

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and international press run  we had

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the first  New South Wales based drug

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testing trial which again massive win so

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thank you for all the stakeholders for

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supporting and bleeding in us for that

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 we had yeah 20 million  impressions

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of online reach  250,000 unique

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visitors hitting our website again from

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all across the world  and one of the

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hottest indie bands in the world pretty

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much at the moment so pretty cool

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 since that we you know

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the event video and what not that's gone

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out there all the artists posting stuff

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about the event we've had all of the top

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 talent agencies globally reach out

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wanting to book their top tier talent on

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our event which yeah pretty cool for

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Wollongong

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so yeah we would love to run the

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event again this meeting was just

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basically to say thank you and give you

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our intention to run again in 2026  we

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would like to grow the footprint and

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kind of impact of the event we would

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like to still hold the

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two-day you know flagship event up on

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Flagstaff Hill again we thought it was

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perfect we thought it was such a iconic

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spot and you couldn't really find a

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better festival site in the world um we

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would also like to state our intention

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to look to incorporate more of the city

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in the week leading up or the weeks

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after as fringe and satellite events um

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kind of similar to South by Southwest or

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Nashville or any of these

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internationally renowned festivals um

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and yeah just kind of state that that's

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where we would like to get to be one of

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those internationally

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renowned festivals yeah so thank you

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thank you Mr tilman i hope we can get

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some hotels to fill for you yeah that'll

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be good councelor Martin um I'd just

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like to say congratulations it was a

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fantastic event um and I'm glad that we

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got I mean you got support from the

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state and federal government as well and

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you went against the wind for festivals

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all around the world at the moment and

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doing a great job um so my question um

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really is how much reliant are you on

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government funding compared to the

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ticket sales and I know that the the

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state government um Minister Graham's

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offering more festival support i think

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your festival was one that got support

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so how much is the split that you need

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to get the actual numbers right um yeah

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it is a pretty tricky time at the moment

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just with changing trends and ways that

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people are consuming music particularly

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the young kids who you know we're

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competing with Netflix and Spotify and

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Xbox at the moment

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um so yeah there is a need for funding

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at the moment um depending on the type

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of events that you're doing um

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particularly these ones that you know

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are programming lots of talent there's

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multiple stages um there is a real need

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for funding for that we were lucky this

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year we received support from council

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again thank you for that um the bulk of

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the funding came from New South Wales

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government this year and then we also

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received some federal funding as well um

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so yeah in order for us to do what we

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want to do at least over the next couple

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of years I think while things stabilize

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we will be seeking and needing funding

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which we've begun those

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conversations positively with state and

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federal already um I guess the positive

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thing

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is there is a realization that these

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kind of things are generating money it

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the event itself you know while it's

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going through this period of finding

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itself out and while the costs have

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blown out and we're in a cost of living

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crisis so the ticket price isn't able to

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be reflective of that there is still a

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broader value um you know whether it be

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socially and culturally or economically

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as well with you know 70% of our ticket

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holders are from out of town so you know

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you're generating that tourism money as

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well yeah well congratulations cool

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thank you and Martin um thanks Ben 

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congratulations and all the musicians

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and your techies and all those others

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who work behind the scene and as well as

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obviously on stage um I remember one of

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the events that was very successful a

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few years ago was the um I think it was

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a festival of venues as well and that

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would kind of work with your idea of

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extending the yours and ours event

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throughout the city so congratulations i

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hope you're um able to keep going and

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you've come a long way since the days of

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the red bar

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council Whitaker thanks Ben for your

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presentation and all the work you do um

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just acknowledging that accommodation is

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a significant problem in our area and I

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was just wondering if um having a

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festival campground is something that

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you've investigated or considered as an

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option for that overflow yeah we

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definitely have over the years

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um it's probably we will look to

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probably put more energy and attention

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to that next year there's probably been

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a bit of a hierarchy of needs this last

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few years around co and floods and stuff

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um but yeah that's a problem that we

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have definitely identified we need like

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everywhere is booked on the weekend of

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the festival all the way out to you know

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we had a band staying in um Berry I

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think one year because they couldn't get

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any accommodation closer so yeah it's an

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issue for us as well um and hopefully

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you know we can help with the campsite

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stuff but I guess more broadly hopefully

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the city has that appetite as well

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councelor Quinn thank you L and thank

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you so much for your presentation and I

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think um it's quite obvious the city's

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very proud of what you've managed to

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achieve and I know it was a um like all

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events it's a journey to get there um I

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just wanted to ask from your perspective

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in terms of future planning are there

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any sort of policy settings you're sort

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of noticing that we should be looking

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for that could enhance your vision for

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bringing it to the city whether it's

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nighttime economy outdoor dining or um

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you know I think it's it's quite fair to

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say that we trust your input in this but

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obviously there are certain policies

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that might need to be looked at to

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facilitate it so is there anything that

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you're sort of thinking is on the

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horizon for that

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um yeah I

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mean it's probably a broader

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conversation than 5 minutes here which

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I'm happy to have for sure if you know

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you want to do that um I think whatever

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we can be doing to make the city vibrant

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throughout the year um you know I see I

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guess we've come to see ourselves as a

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little bit of a you know we're a blip in

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a year but it does it's an ad

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essentially for the city where there's a

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lot of attention and eyes on Wongong and

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we had this beautiful site so everyone's

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looking at it and I think whatever can

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be done to kind of keep that vibrancy

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happening throughout the year so whether

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it's you know better transport coming

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into the city from the outer areas or um

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supporting the outdoor dining stuff I

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know that has been a bit of a thing

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recently um the parking situation just

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whatever we can do to kind of support

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the you know these businesses which is

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the kind of flare and the flavor of our

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city year round so that you know someone

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in Ireland or wherever might have seen

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the festival rap video with you know

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this band playing on a headland out in

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the thing they might travel to here and

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it would be nice for them to be able to

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have you know not that experience

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necessarily but have a good particularly

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nighttime and cultural experience

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throughout the year which I feel like

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we've got all the right people here um I

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feel like we have all the nuts and bolts

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but it does feel like particularly

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postco there is a change in trends and

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people are maybe staying more locally

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there's less of this sort of um push to

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coming into the city for their kind of

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weekly fix of socializing or whatever um

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yeah big problem to fix I know but um I

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don't know anything sort of pertaining

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to that I'd say would be great and again

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I'm happy to like catch up and chat in

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more detail if needed thank you thanks

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very much thanks Ben and congratulations

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to you and all of the team i mean those

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drone shots from  looking out over

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Flagstaff Hill were just fantastic and I

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certainly had a fun weekend so thank you

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very much thank you appreciate it okay

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as we change over Deputy Lord Mayor if

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you'd like to take the reigns  as Mr

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dr griffith comes up to the lectern

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thank you

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thank you Deputy Lord Mayor and Tom is

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fine that was a little bit

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embarrassingly formal um

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 thank you for having me i'm here to

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talk perhaps about my experience as a

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staff member at the University of

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Wulingong  but I also want to talk

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about research at the University of

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Wollongong i can talk to that i work in

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research i've previously been an

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academic at the University of Wulingong

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um that's not to say that other people

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from the university aren't affected 

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my colleagues from the library have also

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been very heavily affected they're not

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here and there are numerous teams across

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the university where  this impact is

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very heavily felt so the University of

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Wulingong it's not just a teaching place

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it is a  globally recognized research

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intensive university and it truly

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anchors innovation and economic

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development right here in the Ilawa

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Wulingong down to the south coast up to

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the southern highlands all right and I'm

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talking about research and how it's

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anchored here because research is one of

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the key defining factors of what a

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university is to be accredited as a

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university and differentiated from

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another educational institution you must

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do research that's the definition of a

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of a university the body that accredits

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universities that's their requirement

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the research at the University of

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Wollongongsupports the teaching and the

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research sorry the teaching and the

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community around

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that having research at the University

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of Wollongongmeans that the best minds

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are the ones here teaching our children

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you know will one day hopefully teach my

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children it means that we have the best

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minds developing the solutions that will

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help our industry our companies our

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small businesses have that competitive

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edge right here in the Ilawa and so

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that's why I'm standing here  not to

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talk too much about industrial

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instruments and the process and the

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transformation that's going on um

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whether this is a poorly planned process

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which it is or whether I think it's

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going to be damaging to the university

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which I believe it is but I'm talking

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here because I believe that the

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transformation that we're facing at the

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University of Wulingong is a bad deal

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for the Ilawa and it's a bad deal for

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Wulingong we are the only research

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intensive university serving the Ilawara

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and it is in the University of

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Wulingong's acts of incorporation it

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mentions that the University of Wongong

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exists for the benefit of the Ilawa and

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the people of the Ilawa the University

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of Wong drives innovation in renewable

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energy

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 health manufacturing

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 all aspects of life it attracts

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global investment sovereign capability

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here in the Ilo we have high value jobs

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and we're supporting local industries we

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have partnerships with government

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industry and communities and we attract

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global talent and investment to the

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region and some examples on all those

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points i want to start with hisa i work

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quite closely with  Joe Swigers who

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developed a technology that founded

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his spin out a commercialization and it

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is the world's most efficient hydrogen

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electrolyer and it was developed right

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here in Wulingong right it has attracted

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$179 million investment in  series B

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capital raise it's the largest series B

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capital raise in the nation's history

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and it's right here in the Oawara that

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$179 million is employing people here in

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Wulingong it's buying goods and services

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from other companies here in Wulong

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right and it's all founded on

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fundamental research that was done at

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the University of Wulingong we also have

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Syona batteries which last week signed a

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$15 million licensing deal right that's

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more investment here in the Ilawa we

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have  government funded training

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centers for the future of the

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electricity grid which is training the

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future workforce and developing the

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technology and the companies needed to

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have a sustainable and affordable energy

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grid for the nation we have the research

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hub for steel innovation which is

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futurep proofing our steel industry

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which is obviously something that's very

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critical to the Aora region we have the

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training center for composites in mining

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which is creating a sustainable mining

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 venture companies and again

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individuals that will generate safer

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machinery and smarter manufacturing

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processes if I pivot quickly to health

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we have the medical research future fund

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funded Bienko

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consortium this is a $35 million process

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to fund

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 bio engineered corneas and is the

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largest eye engineering health grant in

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Australia's history and UW is the

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largest partner on signing of that and

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this is all at risk because of the

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process that we're

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seeing i believe that the process

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here is damaging to the University of

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Wollongongis a public institution do you

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need another few seconds yeah like 30

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seconds thank you so much the University

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of Wulingong is a public institution it

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should be run as a public good for the

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benefit of the Awara that's in its

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articles of incorporation i'm here to

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say that the proposal that is put into

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place affecting jobs is not beneficial

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to the AARA i would almost go so far as

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to say it's damaging to the Ilawa and

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that's why I'm here speaking to motion

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17 and reminding and calling on council

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to talk to the executive and say that

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what's happening here at the University

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of Wongong has broader impacts than just

00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:16.535
the University of Wongong it is not in

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the best interests of Wongong and the

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broad thank you thank you so much any

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questions counselors

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okay thank you Dr griffiths thank you um

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somebody Thanks Charity bring the bring

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the real man back

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see you soon i'll be back soon

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yes 17 I believe

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thank you for that  we move to Paula

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Lustrous thank you

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Paula hello everybody um before I start

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I have heard a little bit of gossip this

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afternoon so before I get into that

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actually I won't get into that i'll just

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say thank you to everybody who has

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supported cring cringel and listened to

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our concerns in the last week i'll still

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say what I have to say because that's

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what I'm here

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for i'm Paula Jan Lusttos resident and

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longtime friend of cringilla i am here

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due to the lack of consideration by this

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very can council we were all

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forgotten thank you to everybody that

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supported us since we were forgotten

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i've done much consulting with my

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community and here are some of the

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concerns and needs this is our only flat

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green space in our

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CBD our elderly use this space while

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keeping mobile to and to have a little

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rest and a sit down think of the non the

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non-ambulent people who are in

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wheelchairs and also their wheelie

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walkers we have a lot of wheelie walkers

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in

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Cringula parents drop their children at

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preschool then sit at the park to enjoy

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a few moments alone before going to work

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this space is also the emergency

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evacuation point for Kringula Children's

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House we also have an educator who after

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picking up children from Berkeley waits

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in the park until the bus comes from

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Amit Amity College many many locals and

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non-locals use this park to eat their

00:26:32.159 --> 00:26:34.535
lunches or to take their breaks i've

00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:36.296
worked and lived in Kringula for almost

00:26:36.320 --> 00:26:38.936
35 years and I've seen many changes

00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:41.176
we've got doctors pathology chemists

00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:43.816
hair professionals restaurants and so

00:26:43.840 --> 00:26:46.840
much food we can park our cars in Gal

00:26:47.360 --> 00:26:49.176
Street set our down set down our less

00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:51.696
fortunate and safely go to any of our

00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:54.296
appointments this space is important not

00:26:54.320 --> 00:26:55.616
just to

00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:58.640
myself but to the hundreds of people

00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:00.775
whose names I've handed on to the

00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:03.336
counselors tonight we are the ones that

00:27:03.360 --> 00:27:05.576
have put you where you are so please do

00:27:05.600 --> 00:27:08.216
what you were chosen to do and represent

00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.240
us save our park i would also like to

00:27:11.760 --> 00:27:13.416
thank all Cringillians for letting their

00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:15.535
voices be heard through our

00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:18.296
petition and I would like to invite all

00:27:18.320 --> 00:27:20.696
counselors who haven't already done so

00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:23.096
to come to Cringilla and have a walk

00:27:23.120 --> 00:27:25.176
have a look around get a coffee say hi

00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:27.816
to the locals tell them Paula Paula sent

00:27:27.840 --> 00:27:29.336
you

00:27:29.360 --> 00:27:32.216
you may just be pleasantly surprised

00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:35.176
thank you Paula any questions

00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:38.200
yep thank you very much you're welcome

00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:41.799
now call Louis partners to address the

00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.000
chamber

00:27:53.520 --> 00:27:55.416
my name is Louis Paresis i'm the

00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.496
president of the Maltese Club now

00:27:57.520 --> 00:28:00.375
multiculture center in Gringilla

00:28:00.399 --> 00:28:02.375
i just come from a cruise in Kes and

00:28:02.399 --> 00:28:03.895
I've written a speech which I'm not

00:28:03.919 --> 00:28:05.976
going to use so my wife's not going to

00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.000
be happy tonight cuz I miss few dinners

00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:12.176
what am I here to talk to you about

00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:14.736
today it's about

00:28:14.760 --> 00:28:17.336
Gringilla how can I talk about Gringilla

00:28:17.360 --> 00:28:19.816
i'm not from Gringilla i'm from Sydney

00:28:19.840 --> 00:28:22.840
i'm married Maltese lady two doors down

00:28:23.600 --> 00:28:26.600
from the club make sure I'm close

00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:29.496
birmingham Street

00:28:29.520 --> 00:28:32.520
what so all our elderly has passed away

00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:35.336
you're not going to find anyone

00:28:35.360 --> 00:28:37.655
um in Maltes in Greenil anymore because

00:28:37.679 --> 00:28:39.255
they're all passed away i went to all

00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:42.279
their funerals over the last 20 years

00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:45.015
but I capture stories so one day I'll

00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:48.039
write a book and  and one of the

00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:50.976
stories that always hit me was my wife's

00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.816
auntie they just came from Sydney ship

00:28:53.840 --> 00:28:56.616
they got the ship from Moltown 51 they

00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:58.375
arrived in Wulingong they saw the

00:28:58.399 --> 00:29:01.399
chimneys and the smoke she cried "I'm

00:29:01.919 --> 00:29:03.056
going

00:29:03.080 --> 00:29:06.080
back." So but they they raised their

00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:08.255
family in

00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:11.279
Gringilla things were tough my

00:29:11.360 --> 00:29:14.296
father-in-law obviously passed away he

00:29:14.320 --> 00:29:17.296
said to me "We had the best victories in

00:29:17.320 --> 00:29:20.320
Grula." Really he said "Well all the ash

00:29:21.600 --> 00:29:24.600
from the steel work covers covers the 

00:29:25.760 --> 00:29:28.760
the peach so you peel the skill back and

00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:31.736
it's protected nothing inside i don't

00:29:31.760 --> 00:29:34.296
know if that killed him or not but the

00:29:34.320 --> 00:29:37.320
outside of the peach he couldn't eat it

00:29:37.360 --> 00:29:39.416
these are beautiful stories in Gringilla

00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:42.216
i asked my wife in 5th of May when I got

00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.056
a phone call 10:00 SOS

00:29:45.080 --> 00:29:47.416
Lewis i thought they sold the club

00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:49.336
because I'm a bit tired after 20 years

00:29:49.360 --> 00:29:52.360
as president but it wasn't the club and

00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.480
 and I became very passionate why one

00:29:55.520 --> 00:29:58.520
is because I I I'm I'm from the outside

00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.976
in i live in Willingong on Coral Street

00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:05.000
so you probably think big deal Gringilla

00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:08.279
but we are here to protect our history

00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:11.559
gringela got a lot of history  um and

00:30:12.159 --> 00:30:14.576
as you know yourselves they trying to

00:30:14.600 --> 00:30:17.600
rebuild shops been opening up to our

00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:20.880
amazing selling clothes probably cheap

00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:24.279
to to attract the market in that area

00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:28.200
so we could talk about the park and what

00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.176
kind of grass on it it's not going to

00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:33.936
help us what's going to help us is

00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.960
understanding that in the midst of

00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:41.279
Willingong we we used to say Gringilla

00:30:42.080 --> 00:30:45.080
for Grinch and  and I even wrote

00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:47.015
Grinilla with a double L it sounds

00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:50.039
better so we can play around with the

00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:53.200
words but my job 20 years as president I

00:30:55.679 --> 00:30:58.679
attract now a lot of outside people

00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:02.200
buses come every week from Sydney when I

00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:05.176
have functions people even stay on top

00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:08.200
of the pub in Gringilla so we're

00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:11.096
generating outside interest we're

00:31:11.120 --> 00:31:14.120
bringing tourists I mean I I like to I

00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:17.895
mean yeah all right I got $7,000 phase

00:31:17.919 --> 00:31:20.919
7,000 Facebook page but I can challenge

00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.240
anyone overseas that's Maltese and you

00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.880
say to him or her have you heard of

00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.000
Gringilla and they won't they won't talk

00:31:32.159 --> 00:31:35.159
about Gringilla and they say

00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:38.640
Pares that's what they say Parese what I

00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:41.096
try to create in Greninjella is to bring

00:31:41.120 --> 00:31:41.856
it

00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:44.880
alive and and it's important this little

00:31:45.360 --> 00:31:48.360
parcel of land that it'll remain there

00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:51.176
not necessarily for me but for a

00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:54.200
generation to come i've noticed there's

00:31:54.399 --> 00:31:57.375
a lot of young families in

00:31:57.399 --> 00:32:00.216
Gringilla i was telling Tanya a lady

00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:03.240
cross through the park on the Monday and

00:32:03.679 --> 00:32:06.056
and I said stop you can't go through the

00:32:06.080 --> 00:32:08.296
park there's a house there and she goes

00:32:08.320 --> 00:32:10.535
"What are you talking about i'm taking

00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.559
my child to to  across the road to to

00:32:14.159 --> 00:32:17.159
kindergarten right?" And and lastly I

00:32:17.360 --> 00:32:19.296
like to say that

00:32:19.320 --> 00:32:22.320
um my people on a Monday between 160 and

00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:26.336
170 they can't find any

00:32:26.360 --> 00:32:29.360
parking you know I have to actually um

00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:33.799
go with their keys and bring their cars

00:32:33.840 --> 00:32:35.416
from the top of the hill because the

00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.816
lady can't walk but you want to come to

00:32:37.840 --> 00:32:40.775
Gringilla from Blacktown from Penrit so

00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:43.799
I I take the car the keys and I go and

00:32:44.399 --> 00:32:47.336
get all Goro Street is packed on a

00:32:47.360 --> 00:32:49.895
Monday i'm not sure about other days but

00:32:49.919 --> 00:32:52.919
there is photos so that will increase

00:32:53.120 --> 00:32:56.120
more density and um where we're going to

00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:59.495
send them we can't send them to our own

00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:02.056
lastly to finish off sorry your time up

00:33:02.080 --> 00:33:04.775
yeah I know i hear the bill saved by the

00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.799
bill um I want I I I want to just finish

00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:11.255
off by saying that I want to thank

00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:13.655
everybody that um voting that way

00:33:13.679 --> 00:33:15.976
tonight but I must acknowledge the

00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:18.535
Greens and the Independent when our

00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:21.176
backs were against the wall they gave us

00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:24.200
an olive branch and  and and that's

00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:28.200
that's very important to us to  to

00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.576
have to be all working together not

00:33:31.600 --> 00:33:33.655
divided

00:33:33.679 --> 00:33:36.375
together we stand divided we fall that's

00:33:36.399 --> 00:33:38.296
what we say thank you very much thank

00:33:38.320 --> 00:33:40.696
you i will  next time I've come to the

00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:42.696
club I'll  get it get the valet

00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:44.216
service

00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:46.456
thank you very much

00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:47.816
i don't think there was any questions

00:33:47.840 --> 00:33:50.375
there was no lights on

00:33:50.399 --> 00:33:53.176
any questions no you're all good thank

00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.200
you Louie your time is up

00:34:00.080 --> 00:34:02.216
council Brown would you like to move

00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:05.096
that the No no that's that's Oh I'm so

00:34:05.120 --> 00:34:08.120
sorry i was getting excited all right we

00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:11.639
now I think Angelia Comoras has arrived

00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.055
has she would you like to come and

00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:16.776
address the meeting

00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.800
i was racing

00:34:25.240 --> 00:34:28.055
ahead go ahead Kate yep thank you for

00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:30.216
giving me the opportunity to speak and

00:34:30.240 --> 00:34:32.375
give our side of the story in regards to

00:34:32.399 --> 00:34:35.399
the development in fig tree which is the

00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:38.976
100 bed nursing home

00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:42.000
22 units gym shops amenities etc of

00:34:44.399 --> 00:34:46.855
which all already exist within meters of

00:34:46.879 --> 00:34:49.879
this development  at a large scale as

00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:51.615
well

00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:54.639
um myself and not just fig tree people

00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:57.896
that are in the adjoining suburbs even

00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.896
people out of area are against this

00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:03.920
development because we feel apart from

00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:05.815
the fact that it's been built on an

00:35:05.839 --> 00:35:08.136
illegally filled creek which I grew up

00:35:08.160 --> 00:35:10.936
playing in all my life we feel that it's

00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:13.960
going to be a danger and a problem and

00:35:15.200 --> 00:35:17.416
it's going to affect everyone and the

00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:19.496
congestion going forward um like a

00:35:19.520 --> 00:35:22.095
domino effect

00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:25.016
um the floods as you know it's a

00:35:25.040 --> 00:35:28.040
floodplone  sorry a floodprone area

00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.136
there are three major creeks Byron

00:35:32.160 --> 00:35:35.160
Branch and American as well as I think

00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:38.440
Milwood Brook and they overfill the

00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:42.920
water goes at a phenomenal speed

00:35:43.359 --> 00:35:46.359
collecting sludge dirt debris garbage

00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:49.960
whatever it is you can imagine now not

00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.856
long ago we had the floods there months

00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.456
ago that collected everyone's house

00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:58.480
belongings lives in Arrow Avenue

00:35:58.720 --> 00:36:01.720
McDonald's etc and it took

00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:04.880
the rescue services about 6 hours plus

00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.776
to get eight families out of there so

00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:11.800
I'm just confused as to how they are

00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:15.376
proposing to

00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:18.256
evacuateund pe 100 people

00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:21.280
elderly immobile out of this nursing

00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:23.815
home if the same thing were to happen

00:36:23.839 --> 00:36:25.736
which brings me to my first major point

00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:28.416
the evacuation plan

00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:31.416
um it's not viable there are no viable

00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:34.440
exits it one end's a dead end which I

00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.800
live in with 14 houses the other one is

00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:39.936
Belleview Road which

00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:42.960
is footsteps away from the main highway

00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:45.095
which is fully congested and footsteps

00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:47.256
away from Figree Cresant which is one

00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:49.416
lane and footsteps away from Arrow

00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:51.176
Avenue which is utterly and totally

00:36:51.200 --> 00:36:53.736
underwater so as far as we're concerned

00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:55.736
and from what we've we've been told

00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:57.976
professionally there are no viable exits

00:36:58.000 --> 00:36:59.575
to get anyone out of there in time

00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.599
especially 100 elderly people let alone

00:37:03.200 --> 00:37:05.496
families that will be occupying the 22

00:37:05.520 --> 00:37:08.456
town houses and if it's working hours

00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.016
then you've got the gym the shops people

00:37:11.040 --> 00:37:14.040
walking by etc um in keeping with the

00:37:15.160 --> 00:37:16.896
flooding

00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:19.920
the shape the nature of the land it the

00:37:20.640 --> 00:37:23.640
the streets that boundary this block of

00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:27.280
land after our house is where where the

00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.256
road's ed edge is starts there and then

00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:34.280
they slope inwards so where this

00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.320
proposed development is going to be is a

00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.536
pool area land slopes inward and I've

00:37:40.560 --> 00:37:43.560
been told that it's illegal to build

00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.456
even two units on land that slopes

00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:49.480
inwards after by a certain

00:37:50.359 --> 00:37:53.359
degree of in  decline if it was going

00:37:54.720 --> 00:37:56.296
the other way it wouldn't be a problem

00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:58.296
but because it's coming from the border

00:37:58.320 --> 00:37:59.696
the streets going

00:37:59.720 --> 00:38:02.720
inwards it's not supposed well it's not

00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:05.656
deemed it's not possible that's what the

00:38:05.680 --> 00:38:08.680
law says anyway um so we've had issues

00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:14.440
because of that there were wooden fences

00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:16.216
along all the houses that border this

00:38:16.240 --> 00:38:19.176
so-called development for 60 years there

00:38:19.200 --> 00:38:21.456
were the old wooden fences not one fence

00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:23.815
rotted soon as they put in their car

00:38:23.839 --> 00:38:26.839
park and their church and their hall the

00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:30.136
fences all rotted from the rains so we

00:38:30.160 --> 00:38:32.936
all decided to change the color bond 

00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:35.496
we got a reputable tradesman all the

00:38:35.520 --> 00:38:38.456
fences down there were changed and every

00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:40.536
year we have buckling because of the

00:38:40.560 --> 00:38:43.256
pressure that has come from this

00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.280
existing building um I've sent pictures

00:38:47.200 --> 00:38:49.656
in the handouts for you to see and you

00:38:49.680 --> 00:38:51.335
will notice the buckling is more

00:38:51.359 --> 00:38:54.359
prominent up the top where it's leaning

00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:57.920
like quite a quite a bit it's probably

00:38:58.240 --> 00:39:01.240
45° angle  where the car park borders

00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:04.696
is very close to the fence and we're

00:39:04.720 --> 00:39:06.216
talking just a car park not an actual

00:39:06.240 --> 00:39:08.776
dwelling nevertheless and as you go down

00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:11.496
towards the highway it tapers off it's

00:39:11.520 --> 00:39:13.335
still buckling but the buckling tapers

00:39:13.359 --> 00:39:16.359
off synonymous with less um fixtures or

00:39:17.359 --> 00:39:19.815
less less dwellings that are in the land

00:39:19.839 --> 00:39:22.055
there and it's prominent there wasn't

00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.856
that much rain two days ago i've put a

00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:26.776
photo in there of the land that's pulled

00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:29.575
around the buckled areas for you to see

00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:31.575
um you know you can't make it safe

00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:34.599
during the flood um you can't when it

00:39:35.359 --> 00:39:37.416
rains it rains so hard the damp the

00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:39.416
creeks bust you can't manually pump

00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:42.440
water because of the way the water rises

00:39:42.720 --> 00:39:44.216
from the creek overflowing you just

00:39:44.240 --> 00:39:47.136
wouldn't make it in time um the

00:39:47.160 --> 00:39:49.416
congestion you know it now the

00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:51.296
congestion is building up all

00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:53.496
through the day not just you know

00:39:53.520 --> 00:39:55.496
beginning once your time has expired do

00:39:55.520 --> 00:39:58.456
you require an extension i would like to

00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.456
how much is it is it a minute enough

00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:03.856
um if I speak in

00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.880
Greek we only had six well 5 minutes and

00:40:07.040 --> 00:40:08.856
we've gone over that yeah okay yeah

00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.416
whatever whatever i'm grateful whatever

00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:13.095
last wrap up can we get someone to move

00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:15.256
an extension one minute thank you Andrew

00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.815
Anthony council Anthony Council Quinn 

00:40:17.839 --> 00:40:20.839
all in favor against carriage thank you

00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.280
that's how you do it see

00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:26.936
um we don't So I can just wrap up

00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:28.616
quickly we don't have faith in the

00:40:28.640 --> 00:40:30.055
developer they've already been caught

00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.536
out cutting down trees illegally i have

00:40:32.560 --> 00:40:35.176
photos in there of a truck that has come

00:40:35.200 --> 00:40:37.256
up and I've included in the photo the

00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.896
timestamp so that you could see within a

00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:42.376
minute they came up shredded the trees

00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:43.736
that were put out the front of their

00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:46.760
property strategically and taken off so

00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:48.136
it was lucky that I happened to be in

00:40:48.160 --> 00:40:49.656
the right time at the right place and I

00:40:49.680 --> 00:40:51.016
saw the whole thing and I had picture of

00:40:51.040 --> 00:40:53.335
the offcuts they did that within a

00:40:53.359 --> 00:40:55.095
minute if you look at the time stamp so

00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:56.776
they have been cutting down trees we

00:40:56.800 --> 00:40:58.295
don't have any faith in them in carrying

00:40:58.319 --> 00:41:01.319
out um anything to code or to practice

00:41:02.319 --> 00:41:05.319
 we want to take a vote to reszone the

00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.656
area and make it heritage so that you

00:41:09.680 --> 00:41:12.216
can't build on it because it's not safe

00:41:12.240 --> 00:41:14.456
nothing should be there that's how we

00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:16.376
feel

00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:19.256
okay thank you um I would just say this

00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:20.616
has been through land and environment

00:41:20.640 --> 00:41:22.295
court council objected that's why it

00:41:22.319 --> 00:41:24.295
went to land environment court consent's

00:41:24.319 --> 00:41:27.016
been issued with I think 165 conditions

00:41:27.040 --> 00:41:28.536
i I haven't been through those

00:41:28.560 --> 00:41:30.936
conditions I would say um but I'm not

00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:32.696
sure what council's going to be able to

00:41:32.720 --> 00:41:35.720
do and to reszone something after it has

00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.376
been done we may have to come back to

00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:40.616
you for discussions on that because I'm

00:41:40.640 --> 00:41:42.136
not sure that that's something we're

00:41:42.160 --> 00:41:44.536
going to be able to do um councelor Anne

00:41:44.560 --> 00:41:46.776
Martin has a question yeah I guess that

00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:49.800
I was going to ask that of you given

00:41:50.720 --> 00:41:53.720
this has been a consiliation process and

00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:55.736
then the land and environment court

00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:58.136
actually approved this it's pretty well

00:41:58.160 --> 00:42:01.160
out of council's hand as far as this DA

00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:04.480
goes plus I'm not sure that we're in a

00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.960
position to seek a reasoning what What

00:42:10.240 --> 00:42:12.736
do you want it reszone to

00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.760
heritage or um no just so that nothing

00:42:16.560 --> 00:42:18.456
can be built on it whatever that means

00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:20.536
because it is a danger it's just

00:42:20.560 --> 00:42:23.560
dangerous okay i I I think you need to

00:42:23.839 --> 00:42:25.575
have a conversation with our staff

00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:27.976
around what it is you're proposing

00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:31.000
because I think it's um highly unlikely

00:42:31.839 --> 00:42:34.839
that that would get through but who what

00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:38.119
would I know but yeah so thank you

00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.800
Council Anthony yeah so I think what h

00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.599
well to at at later on the question so

00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:47.896
later on in the meeting where we we've

00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:50.920
got item four where we're proposing to

00:42:51.640 --> 00:42:54.640
um reszone and re  classify land and

00:42:56.160 --> 00:42:58.776
so is that what you're um suggesting

00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:01.800
that we do classify the land as re  

00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:07.000
yeah to sorry the public recreational

00:43:07.359 --> 00:43:10.359
land exactly that's right okay yes

00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:14.295
um now I also just So just wanted to

00:43:14.319 --> 00:43:17.319
clarify so again it's to a be a question

00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:21.575
yeah so you've got several photos here

00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:23.575
of of So this these photos of the rain

00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:25.496
I'll just taken over the over the last

00:43:25.520 --> 00:43:26.536
bit of rain that we've had is that

00:43:26.560 --> 00:43:29.560
correct a bit of rain okay not the

00:43:29.720 --> 00:43:32.720
floods um you can imagine they're

00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:35.880
already sharing Krin's  drain which is

00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:37.815
the shops Rady's shops on the corner

00:43:37.839 --> 00:43:39.656
there at  Belleview Road and Princess

00:43:39.680 --> 00:43:42.680
Highway that drain is like stressed out

00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.280
to the max it's um overfilled it's it's

00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:49.976
like running like it's going 100 miles

00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:51.256
an hour in there and that was just the

00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.055
other day with a little bit of rain um I

00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.616
searched the whole land and I only found

00:43:56.640 --> 00:43:59.496
one maybe two points where they consider

00:43:59.520 --> 00:44:01.496
that they've  let this water be

00:44:01.520 --> 00:44:04.520
released and that's supposed to be like

00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.496
kosher is that supposed to be like I I

00:44:07.520 --> 00:44:09.896
think that we share the concerns but

00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:12.295
land and environment court has you know

00:44:12.319 --> 00:44:13.976
council objected it's gone to land

00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.295
environment court so to come now and

00:44:16.319 --> 00:44:18.536
reszone um we may need to get some

00:44:18.560 --> 00:44:21.560
advice on a way for you to proceed and

00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:23.656
can I also say because this has happened

00:44:23.680 --> 00:44:25.256
before and I've included the newspaper

00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:27.496
clipping in here for you to see

00:44:27.520 --> 00:44:29.095
highlighting you know this is living

00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:30.616
proof what could happen you can't put

00:44:30.640 --> 00:44:32.136
pressure on it land and environment

00:44:32.160 --> 00:44:34.456
court were called to this meeting where

00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:36.376
people lost their lives and people lost

00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:38.936
everything they owned and absolutely

00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:40.936
nothing got done it's like they went

00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:43.736
memory loss next do you know that's why

00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:45.575
I I put that in there because there's

00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:47.976
got to be a stop yeah thank you very

00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:50.055
much thank you so much thank you to

00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:52.176
everyone i appreciate your time thank

00:44:52.200 --> 00:44:54.936
you  we now call Rowan Huxville to

00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:57.960
address the meeting

00:45:06.240 --> 00:45:09.240
hi I'm Rowan Huxable i live in

00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:12.960
Mangutton um thanks for the opportunity

00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:16.280
to speak i'd like to speak about the

00:45:16.640 --> 00:45:19.640
removal of the reference to the

00:45:19.680 --> 00:45:22.680
environment from the vision and main

00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.880
goals of the community strategic

00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:29.920
plan um we've circulated a letter to the

00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:33.815
councilors we  led it to the council

00:45:33.839 --> 00:45:36.776
it's supported by several environment

00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:39.800
groups and  neighborhood forums

00:45:42.319 --> 00:45:43.856
i just want to

00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:46.616
compare the wording of this environment

00:45:46.640 --> 00:45:49.536
plan with the previous environment

00:45:49.560 --> 00:45:52.560
plan in the previous environment plan

00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:55.800
the vision included the words we value

00:45:56.160 --> 00:45:59.136
and protect our

00:45:59.160 --> 00:46:02.160
environment and one of the goals was we

00:46:03.359 --> 00:46:06.359
value and protect our environment

00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:09.496
so in the latest version of the

00:46:09.520 --> 00:46:12.376
community strategic plan those words

00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:14.095
have been

00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:15.776
removed

00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:18.800
now there are lots of good words in the

00:46:19.520 --> 00:46:21.416
community strategic plan there are good

00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:23.936
references to darl land and

00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:26.960
sustainability and to places but a place

00:46:28.560 --> 00:46:31.560
is not the same as the

00:46:32.200 --> 00:46:35.200
environment the air is not a place

00:46:35.839 --> 00:46:38.839
neither is the water neither are the

00:46:39.560 --> 00:46:42.560
ecosystems of the escarment the

00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:47.760
koalas to manage those things a holistic

00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:49.616
thinking is

00:46:49.640 --> 00:46:52.640
needed thinking that things thinking

00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.496
about the whole thing it's not a

00:46:55.520 --> 00:46:58.520
patchwork of individual places

00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:03.000
so we think that the changing of the

00:47:03.040 --> 00:47:06.040
words actually could have an implication

00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:08.295
on the way that the management is

00:47:08.319 --> 00:47:10.736
thought

00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:13.760
about it could be argued and and it's

00:47:14.160 --> 00:47:16.936
true that in the the more detailed

00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:18.616
objectives and goals there are good

00:47:18.640 --> 00:47:20.936
references to

00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:23.176
 working with the environment and

00:47:23.200 --> 00:47:26.200
protecting the environment

00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:29.440
but we think that there's a reason for

00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:31.815
having the headline goals and there's a

00:47:31.839 --> 00:47:34.136
reason for having the vision is to

00:47:34.160 --> 00:47:37.160
provide guidance and an overview of the

00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:39.216
subsidiary

00:47:39.240 --> 00:47:42.240
goals so we think those main headline

00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:44.335
goals and the vision should be

00:47:44.359 --> 00:47:47.359
consistent with the the good words in

00:47:47.520 --> 00:47:50.520
the subsidiary goals

00:47:51.359 --> 00:47:53.575
we acknowledge that the council's gone

00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:56.599
through a consultative process and

00:47:57.319 --> 00:48:00.319
and we certainly don't want to submer

00:48:00.640 --> 00:48:03.575
democracy or anything like that and it

00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:06.536
might be that the community as a whole

00:48:06.560 --> 00:48:09.095
has thought about it and they thought

00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:10.936
"Hell no we don't want to manage the

00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.815
escarment as a holistic thing get it out

00:48:13.839 --> 00:48:16.839
of the strategic plan."

00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:19.616
Now if that's so we'd be interested

00:48:19.640 --> 00:48:22.640
in what evidence there is of that

00:48:23.040 --> 00:48:26.040
community wish

00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:29.440
um if there isn't any evidence that the

00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.119
community wanted to remove that holistic

00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:37.295
approach to environment

00:48:37.319 --> 00:48:40.319
management we ask that the references to

00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:43.736
the words valuing protecting the

00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.760
environment be reincluded in the goals

00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:49.896
and the vision of the community

00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.920
strategic plan

00:48:53.200 --> 00:48:54.976
thank you Ron any

00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:57.896
questions council Hayes thanks Lord

00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.535
Mayor thank you um Rowan just one

00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:02.936
question for yourself and and the nine

00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:05.960
other groups um who co-signed the letter

00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:09.095
in the sub goals under goal one there

00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:11.016
are items like the community is acting

00:49:11.040 --> 00:49:12.616
actively involved in the expansion

00:49:12.640 --> 00:49:14.055
improvement and preservation of our

00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:15.736
waterways green corridors and other

00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:17.335
natural areas connecting the escarment

00:49:17.359 --> 00:49:19.896
to the sea partner with ainal tourist

00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:21.176
rate islander communities and

00:49:21.200 --> 00:49:23.295
organizations the way we care for the

00:49:23.319 --> 00:49:25.256
environment manage and improve the

00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:27.335
cleanliness health biodiversity of land

00:49:27.359 --> 00:49:28.856
and water including creeks lakes

00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:31.256
waterways and oceans

00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:33.335
i'm assuming they were read too

00:49:33.359 --> 00:49:36.359
absolutely and and not viewed as

00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:38.936
on the environment enough absolutely

00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:40.936
they and and they're they're great words

00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:43.496
to have there and we completely agree

00:49:43.520 --> 00:49:46.520
with them all we're asking is for the

00:49:46.640 --> 00:49:49.640
headline goals and the visions to be

00:49:50.240 --> 00:49:52.696
consistent with that those good

00:49:52.720 --> 00:49:55.720
objectives in the subsidiary goals you

00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:58.535
don't think they flow from the draft

00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:01.559
goal one well I think the there's a

00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:04.760
reason for having headline goals and a

00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:07.016
reason for having a vision statement

00:50:07.040 --> 00:50:09.656
they're in the document for a reason if

00:50:09.680 --> 00:50:11.416
they weren't necessary they wouldn't be

00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:14.440
there now the reason for having the the

00:50:14.720 --> 00:50:16.936
headline goal and the vision statement I

00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:19.960
think is to provide an overview and a

00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:23.896
guidance into the the reason and framing

00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:26.920
of those subsidiary goals so I I

00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.295
completely agree with you that the words

00:50:30.319 --> 00:50:33.176
of those subsidiary goals and objectives

00:50:33.200 --> 00:50:36.200
are very good and we agree with all them

00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:39.559
all we're asking for is that the main

00:50:40.640 --> 00:50:43.640
goal wording and the vision be changed

00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.295
to be consistent with those very good

00:50:47.319 --> 00:50:50.319
objectives in the  in the subsidiary

00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:53.256
goals

00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.456
thank you Ron appreciate

00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:58.480
it now council B thank you Lord Mayor

00:50:58.720 --> 00:50:59.976
can I move that the speakers be thanked

00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:01.095
for their presentation they'll be

00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:02.456
invited to table of notes should they so

00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:04.856
wish seconded thank you councelor Docker

00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:07.176
all those in favor i against declare

00:51:07.200 --> 00:51:10.055
that carried thank you everyone

00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:12.295
thank you to all our speakers tonight we

00:51:12.319 --> 00:51:14.456
now move to the call of the agenda

00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.535
council Brown Lord may I move that the

00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:19.559
staff recommendations for items 5 to 8

00:51:20.839 --> 00:51:23.616
inclusive 10 to 13

00:51:23.640 --> 00:51:26.640
inclusive 15 and 16 be adopted on block

00:51:28.720 --> 00:51:31.720
i'll just repeat that items 5 6 7 8 10

00:51:33.520 --> 00:51:36.520
11 12 13 15 and

00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:40.960
16 i get a second for that thank you

00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:43.016
councelor Anne Martin and if that's

00:51:43.040 --> 00:51:44.616
passed Lord may I try my luck with a

00:51:44.640 --> 00:51:46.295
procedural motion to reorder the agenda

00:51:46.319 --> 00:51:48.736
afterwards i I'll put that all those in

00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:51.760
favor against declare that carried thank

00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.936
you Council Brown can I make a procedial

00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:57.416
motion that item 18 18 be brought

00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.136
forward before the other numbered items

00:52:00.160 --> 00:52:02.055
have a seconder for that councelor Hayes

00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:03.496
thank you lord May I speak to that very

00:52:03.520 --> 00:52:05.575
briefly procedial motion um I'm not a

00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:07.656
fan of either reordering the agenda or

00:52:07.680 --> 00:52:09.736
particularly recision motions but it's

00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:11.736
been almost 10 years since we've had a

00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:13.416
recision motion they are quite technical

00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:15.016
and tricky it's probably appropriate to

00:52:15.040 --> 00:52:16.456
do it early before we get distracted

00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:19.480
with enthusiasm for the other items

00:52:19.520 --> 00:52:21.815
in that case I'm seeing no other lights

00:52:21.839 --> 00:52:24.616
i will put the motion all those in favor

00:52:24.640 --> 00:52:27.416
against declare that carried we will

00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.440
then move on to item

00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:33.760
18 council Stewart moving that item can

00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:37.960
I get a second thank you a second

00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:40.136
council Morris got in there to second

00:52:40.160 --> 00:52:43.160
that council Stewart  thank you Lord

00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:44.656
Mayor

00:52:44.680 --> 00:52:47.680
um this is a notice of recession of the

00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:50.216
decision that we made at the last

00:52:50.240 --> 00:52:53.240
council meeting which was to authorize

00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:56.599
the sale of 28 Lake Avenue Cringilla um

00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:01.000
also known as Gorl Street Park  on the

00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:04.599
open market the um so there were other

00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:08.760
details as part of that um motion  but

00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:13.000
subsequent to that decision  um many

00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:16.696
of us within council have heard from the

00:53:16.720 --> 00:53:18.456
community um that they're very

00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:21.480
disappointed and  that they weren't

00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.616
consulted  personally I feel like I've

00:53:24.640 --> 00:53:27.640
made a mistake i've realized that um you

00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:31.400
know when I've visited that it's it's

00:53:31.520 --> 00:53:34.520
different from what I expected  and so

00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:38.656
the point of this is to reverse the

00:53:38.680 --> 00:53:41.095
decision when I submit it was to reverse

00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:42.776
the decision so we could have a

00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:45.800
conversation about hopefully um then

00:53:47.040 --> 00:53:48.856
looking to make it a park or something

00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:50.696
like that and get the right zoning right

00:53:50.720 --> 00:53:53.720
for it thank you thank you Council Hayes

00:53:56.640 --> 00:53:58.535
thank you Lord Mayor thank you to the

00:53:58.559 --> 00:53:59.976
speakers and all the community members

00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:03.000
who've raised um their voices around

00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:06.119
this but I do rise to to speak um not in

00:54:06.640 --> 00:54:08.776
support of the recision motion i

00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:10.376
supported the original motion just like

00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:11.976
every other counselor did the other week

00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.216
and I still support it now i read the

00:54:14.240 --> 00:54:16.256
report considered it and voted

00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:18.295
accordingly i believe it was the correct

00:54:18.319 --> 00:54:19.736
decision then and I believe it is the

00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:21.815
correct decision now and I understand

00:54:21.839 --> 00:54:23.095
that others have changed their view and

00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:24.856
I look forward to hearing hearing that

00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:27.016
as well and they're entitled to do so as

00:54:27.040 --> 00:54:29.896
we all are i've read the email seen the

00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:31.335
media and of course heard the speakers

00:54:31.359 --> 00:54:33.575
tonight um but I still support the

00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:35.416
original motion and while some will call

00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:38.440
it stubbornness I want to um talk about

00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:40.776
why I'm standing by the decision for the

00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:42.616
following reasons

00:54:42.640 --> 00:54:44.376
the first is for the voice that is not

00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:46.456
in the room the one that doesn't get

00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:48.295
heard when housing gets discussed

00:54:48.319 --> 00:54:50.616
especially in existing suburbs and that

00:54:50.640 --> 00:54:52.216
is the voice of the potential owners of

00:54:52.240 --> 00:54:54.616
a home at this location i think they

00:54:54.640 --> 00:54:56.295
deserve deep consideration in this

00:54:56.319 --> 00:54:59.176
debate too we are asking these people

00:54:59.200 --> 00:55:00.856
whoever they are to give up their future

00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:03.416
home no one would seriously consider

00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:04.936
asking someone to give up their existing

00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:07.176
home to be turned into a vacant lock lot

00:55:07.200 --> 00:55:09.335
with a bunch and table yet we're asking

00:55:09.359 --> 00:55:12.055
this of a future homeowner i don't think

00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:14.856
we should the second reason is that we

00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:17.656
are in a housing crisis to address that

00:55:17.680 --> 00:55:19.656
we'll see a report later tonight around

00:55:19.680 --> 00:55:21.496
looking at all the council owned land to

00:55:21.520 --> 00:55:23.095
identify suitable location for

00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:26.119
residential homes that report identifies

00:55:26.319 --> 00:55:28.055
scores of parcels of land zone

00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:29.976
residential but have been assessed as

00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:31.736
not suitable due to factors like

00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:34.136
flooding for example and will be looked

00:55:34.160 --> 00:55:36.055
at being reszoned to community land and

00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:38.616
recreational land very little land went

00:55:38.640 --> 00:55:41.640
the other way to become residential

00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:44.696
this highlighted how limited we are in

00:55:44.720 --> 00:55:46.936
Wulingong especially in existing suburbs

00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:48.775
and finding vacant land that is both

00:55:48.799 --> 00:55:51.176
zoned residential and is suitable for

00:55:51.200 --> 00:55:54.200
residential we have one here a rare bit

00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:56.376
of land that has been zoned residential

00:55:56.400 --> 00:55:59.095
for many many years and is now looking

00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:00.856
at being sold to do what its purpose

00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:03.575
always was for someone to be to build a

00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:05.016
home and be part of that wonderful

00:56:05.040 --> 00:56:06.456
community

00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:08.376
critics will say that this one block

00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:10.775
won't solve the housing crisis and while

00:56:10.799 --> 00:56:12.535
they're technically correct they are so

00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:15.416
very wrong firstly it will solve it for

00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:17.815
the person who builds a home but if you

00:56:17.839 --> 00:56:19.736
hold the view that unless something is

00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:22.136
solved in one foul swoop then it has no

00:56:22.160 --> 00:56:24.775
value then I have concerns why would

00:56:24.799 --> 00:56:27.016
people donate $10 to charity if it won't

00:56:27.040 --> 00:56:29.095
solve that issue why would one person

00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:31.496
donate blood when more is needed it's

00:56:31.520 --> 00:56:34.295
because it all adds up solving the

00:56:34.319 --> 00:56:36.136
housing crisis requires multiple

00:56:36.160 --> 00:56:38.376
solutions one big part of that is the

00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:40.616
supply of housing but if every

00:56:40.640 --> 00:56:42.696
development every block was considered

00:56:42.720 --> 00:56:44.616
in isolation then they could all be

00:56:44.640 --> 00:56:46.535
dismissed and minimized but as a

00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:49.559
collective it makes a difference in fact

00:56:49.680 --> 00:56:52.216
I've seen here and in other um local

00:56:52.240 --> 00:56:54.775
government areas opponents of one block

00:56:54.799 --> 00:56:56.535
being developed because it won't fix the

00:56:56.559 --> 00:56:58.775
housing crisis also be the same people

00:56:58.799 --> 00:57:00.696
to say that another proposed development

00:57:00.720 --> 00:57:03.335
has too many homes looking for this

00:57:03.359 --> 00:57:06.359
Goldilocks answer that doesn't exist so

00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:08.216
I can't stand here tonight saying I

00:57:08.240 --> 00:57:11.016
stood against solving the housing crisis

00:57:11.040 --> 00:57:12.696
because ultimately it comes down to

00:57:12.720 --> 00:57:14.856
these decisions at this council and all

00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:16.216
the councils throughout New South Wales

00:57:16.240 --> 00:57:18.736
and Australia each one

00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:21.760
matters the third reason I'm supporting

00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:25.000
 my view is that this is about the

00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:27.496
issue of change our communities our

00:57:27.520 --> 00:57:30.055
suburbs our neighborhoods are not static

00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:32.856
new buildings new homes new shops new

00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:34.616
opportunities and new challenges will

00:57:34.640 --> 00:57:37.335
always present themselves change is hard

00:57:37.359 --> 00:57:39.335
it can be hard for individuals be hard

00:57:39.359 --> 00:57:41.575
for a suburb and a city but we don't

00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:43.496
live in snow globes frozen forever in

00:57:43.520 --> 00:57:46.520
time thank you thank you Council Ann

00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:49.216
thank you Lord Mayor

00:57:49.240 --> 00:57:52.240
um I'd like to start by acknowledging

00:57:52.720 --> 00:57:54.856
that the Greens were able to find

00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:56.376
Penilla

00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:57.456


00:57:57.480 --> 00:57:59.656
congratulations those of us who have

00:57:59.680 --> 00:58:02.256
been working in this area for quite some

00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:05.280
time have actually been there a lot i

00:58:06.319 --> 00:58:09.319
deeply  resent the

00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:12.480
notion that those of us who perhaps

00:58:13.520 --> 00:58:15.815
didn't agree with some others are

00:58:15.839 --> 00:58:18.616
somehow traitors to the suburb of

00:58:18.640 --> 00:58:21.640
Krenchilla can I remind you that some of

00:58:21.839 --> 00:58:24.216
us have been around for quite some time

00:58:24.240 --> 00:58:27.240
and have never undermined or given up on

00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:30.896
cringilla to that

00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:33.920
effect I'd like to just announce that as

00:58:34.720 --> 00:58:37.256
a group predominantly not all of us we

00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:40.280
have agreed to pursue the recision

00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:43.416
motion

00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:46.440
but we are taking it one step

00:58:46.520 --> 00:58:49.520
further and that one step is to begin a

00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:54.440
formal process of consultation

00:58:56.000 --> 00:58:59.000
 if the recision motion is

00:58:59.240 --> 00:59:02.240
passed to include a reszoning and a

00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:06.559
reclassification of this site to make it

00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:10.079
permanently a park because it isn't

00:59:10.799 --> 00:59:13.656
officially or technically a park as it

00:59:13.680 --> 00:59:15.335
stands

00:59:15.359 --> 00:59:17.216
 I will have more to say about this

00:59:17.240 --> 00:59:20.240
later but  and I would like to just

00:59:20.799 --> 00:59:22.535
finish on this one point again I'll have

00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:25.559
more to say and that is one of the the

00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:29.079
problems that we have acknowledged is

00:59:30.160 --> 00:59:32.016
the poor level of

00:59:32.040 --> 00:59:35.040
consultation with residents can I say it

00:59:35.680 --> 00:59:37.216
would be

00:59:37.240 --> 00:59:40.240
civil of those who purport to be part of

00:59:42.319 --> 00:59:43.775
a

00:59:43.799 --> 00:59:45.616
significant

00:59:45.640 --> 00:59:48.216
organization to have bothered to pick up

00:59:48.240 --> 00:59:51.240
the phone and consult with the three

00:59:52.319 --> 00:59:54.775
reds right councelor Martin keep it to

00:59:54.799 --> 00:59:57.799
the motion please yeah well anyway  so

00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:01.079
all I can say is yes Mayor Culpa we get

01:00:01.720 --> 01:00:04.720
it we get it and and my

01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:07.760
apologies but I will not apologize for

01:00:08.240 --> 01:00:10.535
defending my right to have a different

01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:13.559
view albeit I'm listening now yeah okay

01:00:15.040 --> 01:00:18.040
i had a wooden ear maybe and we will

01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:20.136
support the recision thank you

01:00:20.160 --> 01:00:22.696
Councilman councelor Docker

01:00:22.720 --> 01:00:25.176
 thank you Lord May um I rise to speak

01:00:25.200 --> 01:00:27.176
um in support of this motion moved by

01:00:27.200 --> 01:00:29.256
councelor  Stewart and councelor

01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:32.280
Whitaker um just in response to um

01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:35.016
councelor Martin 100% um you probably

01:00:35.040 --> 01:00:37.256
know this community um more than say I

01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:38.856
do um that's not to say that I haven't

01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:40.775
spent time in there i did used to attend

01:00:40.799 --> 01:00:43.656
 the bal masid that sits in Kringilla

01:00:43.680 --> 01:00:46.416
um but besides all that

01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:49.416
um those who do have a lot of experience

01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:51.656
and a long time living in Kringilla 

01:00:51.680 --> 01:00:53.575
is the cringilla community who are here

01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:56.599
tonight um and it took me about all of 5

01:00:57.599 --> 01:00:59.496
minutes after visiting that park on the

01:00:59.520 --> 01:01:01.656
Friday after we passed that motion to

01:01:01.680 --> 01:01:03.335
realize that we had made a mistake you

01:01:03.359 --> 01:01:05.016
don't need to live a lifetime in Jilla

01:01:05.040 --> 01:01:06.456
to know what that park means to the

01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:08.055
community you just need to go down on

01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:10.095
one afternoon and see the people coming

01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:13.119
in um but the two reasons why I'm I

01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:15.736
believe we need to resend this motion is

01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:18.216
around proper process consultation as

01:01:18.240 --> 01:01:20.216
councelor Martin has pointed to um and

01:01:20.240 --> 01:01:22.456
the community  firstly around process

01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:24.696
and consultation um it's clear that many

01:01:24.720 --> 01:01:26.696
in the community feel like they weren't

01:01:26.720 --> 01:01:28.616
given a genuine opportunity to be

01:01:28.640 --> 01:01:30.936
consulted um and I'd have to agree with

01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:33.416
them um I made a mistake as a counselor

01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:34.696
of voting for that motion without

01:01:34.720 --> 01:01:36.856
reaching out  to the community and I

01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:39.736
want to rectify that mistake um secondly

01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:42.216
this as the um public assetate speaker

01:01:42.240 --> 01:01:44.696
noted it is a unique place it is a flat

01:01:44.720 --> 01:01:46.136
grassy space that people with

01:01:46.160 --> 01:01:48.696
accessibility um needs can get to one

01:01:48.720 --> 01:01:50.136
thing I noticed from going to that park

01:01:50.160 --> 01:01:51.656
and visiting there there was a handful

01:01:51.680 --> 01:01:53.496
of people there when we got there but by

01:01:53.520 --> 01:01:55.176
the end of it there was probably a dozen

01:01:55.200 --> 01:01:57.176
two dozen because it's it's a community

01:01:57.200 --> 01:01:58.856
meeting space people could see it from

01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:00.775
their homes um and they would come down

01:02:00.799 --> 01:02:02.055
they didn't need their car they could

01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:05.079
walk down um and just finally the

01:02:05.200 --> 01:02:07.575
community's commitment um like the

01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:09.016
community that met was there there on

01:02:09.040 --> 01:02:10.775
that Friday they had worked all day to

01:02:10.799 --> 01:02:13.176
come back from Sydney did they go home

01:02:13.200 --> 01:02:15.335
no this park meant something they walked

01:02:15.359 --> 01:02:16.856
with their councils nobody wants to

01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:18.376
spend their Friday nights hanging out

01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:20.216
with their city councilors but that's

01:02:20.240 --> 01:02:21.736
what they were doing because this it

01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:24.760
meant so much to them so I yeah I just I

01:02:25.359 --> 01:02:27.016
thank the community um if we get this

01:02:27.040 --> 01:02:29.496
over the line it's because of you 100%

01:02:29.520 --> 01:02:31.335
um and I thank Councelor Stewart and

01:02:31.359 --> 01:02:32.616
Whitaker for all the work that they've

01:02:32.640 --> 01:02:34.136
been doing and I look forward to the

01:02:34.160 --> 01:02:37.160
rest of the debate thank you Councelor

01:02:37.200 --> 01:02:40.200
Campbell thank you Lord Mayor um I'm

01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:42.976
going to also support the recision

01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:45.815
motion but my reasoning is a little

01:02:45.839 --> 01:02:48.839
different um I worked in Kringilla

01:02:49.520 --> 01:02:51.696
between 1979 and

01:02:51.720 --> 01:02:54.720
1984 and was responsible for gaining the

01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:57.575
funding that allowed the original

01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:00.136
Kringilla children's house which is the

01:03:00.160 --> 01:03:01.815
long daycare center or was the long

01:03:01.839 --> 01:03:03.736
daycare center to serve that community

01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:06.760
to be built and I spent um a lot of time

01:03:07.680 --> 01:03:09.815
writing submissions on behalf of that

01:03:09.839 --> 01:03:11.656
group that allowed us to purchase the

01:03:11.680 --> 01:03:14.535
the cottage change it into the long

01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:16.456
daycare center that's opposite the Gorl

01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:19.480
Street Park so I'm pretty  familiar

01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:23.480
with that site at the time 1984 when I

01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:27.216
left there and stopped working in that

01:03:27.240 --> 01:03:30.240
community I um there was the house at 32

01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:32.295
Lake Avenue there was the large

01:03:32.319 --> 01:03:34.456
community hall plus there was a smaller

01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:36.775
hall which had had sewing classes and

01:03:36.799 --> 01:03:39.335
English classes run and we accessed the

01:03:39.359 --> 01:03:41.416
cringilla children's house through an

01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:44.376
internal  pathway as well as the Gorl

01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:47.400
Street entrance to me the timeline of

01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:50.760
why we would purchase that land in 1986

01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:53.015
to expand and when all that stuff was

01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:56.039
already there in 1984 just didn't quite

01:03:56.079 --> 01:03:59.015
add up i acknowledge that at one stage

01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:02.039
it was used as a council  works depot

01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:04.136
and there's photos that you can find

01:04:04.160 --> 01:04:07.160
online with the fences and the caravan

01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:08.856
and that's when the park bench was

01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:10.376
installed it was installed by the

01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:12.535
workers for their smokco i also

01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:14.456
acknowledge that when you walk away and

01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:16.376
you leave it there cuz well why wouldn't

01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:19.176
you can people can sit on it then it

01:04:19.200 --> 01:04:21.416
then left totally the wrong impression

01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:24.055
with those residents so just for that

01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:25.976
purpose alone I'm going to support the

01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:28.696
recision motion can I just check whether

01:04:28.720 --> 01:04:30.736
there are any speakers

01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:33.760
against okay council Whitaker

01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:37.256
thank you Lord Mayor  after meeting

01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:39.095
with residents and spending time in

01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:42.119
Cringilla over the years um 

01:04:42.319 --> 01:04:43.976
particularly calling in regularly in my

01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.216
job as a paramedic to either assist the

01:04:46.240 --> 01:04:48.295
community grab a bere and a coffee for

01:04:48.319 --> 01:04:50.535
morning tea i think there are a couple

01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:53.559
of things that we should consider um the

01:04:54.319 --> 01:04:56.456
local economy here is built around food

01:04:56.480 --> 01:04:58.216
the number of local shops and grocerers

01:04:58.240 --> 01:04:59.575
that have survived because the

01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:01.815
communities support them and they value

01:05:01.839 --> 01:05:04.696
local food security cringilla is a place

01:05:04.720 --> 01:05:06.295
where people still walk to the local

01:05:06.319 --> 01:05:08.216
store to do shopping instead of driving

01:05:08.240 --> 01:05:10.535
to the big centers this has given

01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:12.376
Cringilla the enviable title of having

01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:15.095
the highest food security in the Aloa

01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:17.256
what's it got to do with a small park

01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:19.335
well this is a connected community who

01:05:19.359 --> 01:05:21.416
values small interactions and public

01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:23.815
spaces that they use daily and there is

01:05:23.839 --> 01:05:26.696
a lot of pride in their suburb

01:05:26.720 --> 01:05:28.295
some of the things I found out after I

01:05:28.319 --> 01:05:31.319
visited Gorl Street Park in person were

01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:34.376
that there is a bus stop there  the

01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:35.976
kids who wait for the bus here in the

01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:38.136
morning use the park there's a childcare

01:05:38.160 --> 01:05:39.736
center across the road and the parents

01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:41.815
drop their kids here to use the park

01:05:41.839 --> 01:05:43.416
there's a pedestrian crossing leading

01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:45.896
from the shops to the park and the bus

01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:47.456
stop

01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:49.896
providing really a really good way of

01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:52.376
connecting the shops and the green space

01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:54.055
the community center is fenced and

01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:56.376
uninviting for casual use as a park and

01:05:56.400 --> 01:05:58.055
the soccer field identified as an

01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:00.775
alternate park is not easy to find and

01:06:00.799 --> 01:06:02.376
has a gate that's shut and doesn't feel

01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:04.055
very welcoming for people to just want

01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:06.335
to sit somewhere and enjoy a coffee or a

01:06:06.359 --> 01:06:09.359
chat um there's five advanced

01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:11.736
smellucoides in the park as well as

01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:13.656
other trees here that have been planted

01:06:13.680 --> 01:06:15.976
as part of urban greening these are

01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:19.000
local native species and um they are not

01:06:20.160 --> 01:06:21.815
something that could be easily replaced

01:06:21.839 --> 01:06:24.839
on the street with um offset

01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:27.095
planting and there's a menshed and

01:06:27.119 --> 01:06:29.095
maltiz association across in a direct

01:06:29.119 --> 01:06:32.119
line of sight from the park that is used

01:06:32.160 --> 01:06:34.616
and the park is valued as a community

01:06:34.640 --> 01:06:37.640
asset by these people

01:06:38.160 --> 01:06:40.136
the housing crisis is a real problem but

01:06:40.160 --> 01:06:43.015
we won't solve it by turning parks and

01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:46.039
public spaces into into homes councelor

01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:48.376
Hayes parks are enablers of urban

01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:51.095
density and selling off one small park

01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:53.656
in Cringilla will do nothing to ease the

01:06:53.680 --> 01:06:54.896
housing

01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:57.256
crisis i've been I've been on council

01:06:57.280 --> 01:06:59.416
for eight months and I've watched pretty

01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:00.856
closely for a few years but I can't

01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:03.335
recall a decision made by council which

01:07:03.359 --> 01:07:05.976
has caused so much community angst this

01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:07.416
is a moment we should be listening to

01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:09.736
people who who elect us and resend the

01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:11.656
decision so we can adequately consult

01:07:11.680 --> 01:07:13.456
with the pro on the

01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:15.815
proposal they're telling this is a small

01:07:15.839 --> 01:07:17.976
p patch of public green space that has a

01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:19.976
value to them they don't want it sold

01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:21.496
they haven't been consulted anything

01:07:21.520 --> 01:07:23.815
less than overturning a bad decision we

01:07:23.839 --> 01:07:25.656
made last meeting and admitting that we

01:07:25.680 --> 01:07:28.575
did so will only cause more angst and

01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:31.599
distrust so thanks all your all for your

01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:33.496
comments and look forward to hearing

01:07:33.520 --> 01:07:35.736
anymore thank you thank you councelor

01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:37.896
Stewart write a reply that's right i

01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:39.496
think

01:07:39.520 --> 01:07:42.520
 thank you  Lord Mayor so

01:07:44.240 --> 01:07:47.240
um look I'm very very pleased to have

01:07:47.520 --> 01:07:49.656
the support from most of the councilors

01:07:49.680 --> 01:07:52.680
for the recision motion and also embrace

01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:55.656
the idea of reszoning and reclassifying

01:07:55.680 --> 01:07:58.680
to a park i understood that there was

01:07:59.680 --> 01:08:02.680
something else that was that was in the

01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:04.535
the

01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:07.559
um discussions but um if if that's

01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:11.335
the thank you to the for the support for

01:08:11.359 --> 01:08:13.015
the community and if we could proceed

01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:15.976
with the recision motion and the um

01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:17.576
amendment that was suggested that would

01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:20.215
be great i'm not sure the exact wording

01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:22.775
thank you we'll put that up next  with

01:08:22.799 --> 01:08:25.175
that I'll put the resision motion with a

01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:27.335
show of hands all those in favor of the

01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:30.295
recision motion councelor Richard Martin

01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:32.135
councelor Quinn councelor Brown

01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:34.056
councelor Anne Martin councelor Campbell

01:08:34.080 --> 01:08:35.815
councelor Anthony councelor Whitaker

01:08:35.839 --> 01:08:37.896
councelor Docker councelor Stewart

01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:40.215
council Morris councelor Tanya Brown and

01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:42.456
those against councelor Hayes i declare

01:08:42.480 --> 01:08:45.480
the motion carried thank you

01:08:49.839 --> 01:08:52.536
thank you very much we now have a matter

01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:54.936
before us Councelor Martin yeah thank

01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:56.856
you i'd like I have a motion that I

01:08:56.880 --> 01:08:59.815
would like to put forward in respect to

01:08:59.839 --> 01:09:01.576
this matter that's been brought forward

01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:03.096
so that's on the screen i might just get

01:09:03.120 --> 01:09:06.120
a Oh it's up there  if everyone has

01:09:06.719 --> 01:09:08.775
seen that a second

01:09:08.799 --> 01:09:11.016
no not there councelor Morris yeah hang

01:09:11.040 --> 01:09:13.335
on i'm just It's on my phone it's just

01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:16.359
easier for me to Yep there it is so if

01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:20.920
given It's up now it's up now yeah so

01:09:21.199 --> 01:09:24.199
given that we have now agreed

01:09:25.120 --> 01:09:26.335
to the

01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:29.359
recision I now have a um a followup

01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:32.056
there we go it's there in front of

01:09:32.080 --> 01:09:35.080
everyone now thank you so  as Labor

01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:38.856
counselors and other counselors

01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:41.735
hopefully will come on board

01:09:41.759 --> 01:09:43.135
um

01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:46.159
I'm moving the motion here do I have a

01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:49.896
second no Council Morris has already

01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:52.920
seconded it oh cool he got in quick

01:09:53.480 --> 01:09:55.976
sorry secret that's all right you may

01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:58.056
speak to it now thank you um that

01:09:58.080 --> 01:10:00.296
council conduct community consultation

01:10:00.320 --> 01:10:03.175
on enhancing the streetscape pedestrian

01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:06.199
safety amenity including street tree

01:10:06.320 --> 01:10:08.856
planting and precinct facilities such as

01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:11.655
seating and tables along Lake Avenue

01:10:11.679 --> 01:10:13.175
Krenella

01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:15.256
two that the consultation include

01:10:15.280 --> 01:10:17.736
reviewing the current access to and

01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:20.135
facilities within the grounds of the

01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:23.016
Krenella Community Center and three that

01:10:23.040 --> 01:10:25.576
the consultation include options to

01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:28.600
reszone and reclassify lot 331 DP

01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:33.600
1605120 Lake Avenue Cringilla so in the

01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:37.456
MIA culpa that I mentioned

01:10:37.480 --> 01:10:40.135
earlier we don't just sit on our hands

01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:43.159
and grizzle because things aren't going

01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:46.600
how we thought they would and we haven't

01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:50.215
 well let's put it this way we needed

01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:52.896
to get the grommets out of our wooden

01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:54.655
ear

01:10:54.679 --> 01:10:57.679
and that being the case the concept we

01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:02.199
have now before this council is along

01:11:02.320 --> 01:11:04.936
the lines of the other motion that I had

01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:07.960
put forward which is now no longer

01:11:08.040 --> 01:11:11.040
required which is to

01:11:11.080 --> 01:11:14.080
work in consultation with residents in a

01:11:15.360 --> 01:11:18.360
meaningful way to look at what it is

01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:22.056
that might make Lake Avenue and those

01:11:22.080 --> 01:11:25.080
parts of Kringilla are more appealing

01:11:25.199 --> 01:11:28.199
for locals and support the 

01:11:30.080 --> 01:11:31.976
aspirations if you like for that

01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:34.936
community now it's quite I'm quite okay

01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:36.416
if you want to reject

01:11:36.440 --> 01:11:39.440
it you know not a problem it's your

01:11:40.280 --> 01:11:43.280
choice um but I would not like to be

01:11:43.440 --> 01:11:46.440
known to have a turn back on a long

01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:52.056
record of doing things for this

01:11:52.080 --> 01:11:55.080
community out of the fact

01:11:55.239 --> 01:11:58.239
that we have a policy position as a

01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:01.640
council to support housing and that

01:12:03.320 --> 01:12:06.320
includes looking at where we're able to

01:12:06.400 --> 01:12:09.016
encourage housing and certainly this was

01:12:09.040 --> 01:12:12.040
an item or an area where at the time it

01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:15.096
seemed like a reasonable thing to do but

01:12:15.120 --> 01:12:18.120
clearly it hasn't been and

01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:22.000
isn't so I leave it at that there's more

01:12:22.719 --> 01:12:25.376
I could say but I'm not going to because

01:12:25.400 --> 01:12:28.400
um I've been strongly advised to behave

01:12:30.440 --> 01:12:33.440
myself and this is as me being behaving

01:12:35.360 --> 01:12:38.360
um so thank you everyone i hope that

01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:41.640
there's a sense of um consensus around

01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:45.880
the table give or take and that this

01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:50.000
change but a active change that

01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:53.336
continues the original concept that I

01:12:53.360 --> 01:12:56.360
had put a kite up for which has now

01:12:57.280 --> 01:13:00.280
hopefully um landed in such a way that

01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:03.215
it may be a benefit to the people of

01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:06.239
Kringilla and those who will come in the

01:13:07.120 --> 01:13:09.896
future future as visitors and hopefully

01:13:09.920 --> 01:13:12.920
 new residents over the years so I'll

01:13:13.040 --> 01:13:14.536
leave it at that lord May thank you

01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:17.336
council Martin Council Brown I'm happy

01:13:17.360 --> 01:13:18.856
to defer to any ward counselors if they

01:13:18.880 --> 01:13:21.880
want to speak before me

01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:24.456
you're it by the Oh sorry councelor

01:13:24.480 --> 01:13:27.016
Campbell hi thanks Lord mayor I just

01:13:27.040 --> 01:13:30.040
rise to support my long  time

01:13:30.400 --> 01:13:32.376
colleague and friend councelor Anne

01:13:32.400 --> 01:13:34.576
Martin um

01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:37.600
and it's it's really easy to just go "Oh

01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:40.695
yeah people don't like that." But what

01:13:40.719 --> 01:13:43.719
we were hoping to do was to actually end

01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:47.175
up with a better deal for the people of

01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:49.256
Kringilla as I said I worked with in

01:13:49.280 --> 01:13:51.896
that community for a very long time and

01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:54.376
I think this motion doesn't just give

01:13:54.400 --> 01:13:56.856
them what they wanted but they also get

01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:58.936
something extra so I'm happy to support

01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:01.496
it thank you Council Dra well thank you

01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:03.016
Lord May going to be very brief and say

01:14:03.040 --> 01:14:04.695
that on the face of this is a bit

01:14:04.719 --> 01:14:07.336
unusual as I said i think this is the 

01:14:07.360 --> 01:14:09.175
first recision motion in 10 years i

01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:10.695
could be wrong there might be no idea um

01:14:10.719 --> 01:14:12.056
but normally we go through a process

01:14:12.080 --> 01:14:15.080
where we  we council find round up you

01:14:15.360 --> 01:14:17.496
know a dozen or so bits of land which

01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:19.175
are operational and not being used and

01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:21.416
we say can these be divested we go out

01:14:21.440 --> 01:14:23.336
to consultation and one or two of those

01:14:23.360 --> 01:14:24.536
blocks of land come back and the

01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:26.135
community tells us well it's actually

01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:27.816
quite used or it's used perhaps in a way

01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:30.056
we didn't originally imagine  the

01:14:30.080 --> 01:14:31.896
difference this time is and difference

01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:33.655
this time is we are we're finding out

01:14:33.679 --> 01:14:36.135
after the consultation phase and we're

01:14:36.159 --> 01:14:38.616
um proposing to  withdraw those bits

01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:40.695
from the bundle um after we've already

01:14:40.719 --> 01:14:41.816
done it so in that sense it's a bit

01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:43.336
unusual but again this is usually the

01:14:43.360 --> 01:14:45.496
process that happens we  we put this

01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:47.576
stuff out to community consultation we

01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:49.496
find something we didn't originally know

01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:51.175
or something's changed or something's a

01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:53.256
bit different and we make our plans

01:14:53.280 --> 01:14:55.336
accordingly so whilst this is on the

01:14:55.360 --> 01:14:57.655
face of it is a bit unusual it's also

01:14:57.679 --> 01:14:59.576
quite usual about the way this process

01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:01.496
ends up

01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:02.256
thank

01:15:02.280 --> 01:15:05.280
you no further speakers councelor Martin

01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:07.736
you need to write a reply could all

01:15:07.760 --> 01:15:09.896
right in that case I will put the motion

01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:12.920
all those in favor against I think we're

01:15:13.040 --> 01:15:14.776
declaring that carried thank you very

01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:17.416
much everyone we now move back to item

01:15:17.440 --> 01:15:19.736
one thank you L may i'll move the

01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:21.976
recommendation for item one mr speaker I

01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:24.376
have a second would love to speak to it

01:15:24.400 --> 01:15:27.175
so we're just noting that item 19 is now

01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:28.936
out of order so we won't need to deal

01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:31.416
with that one okay thank you i was going

01:15:31.440 --> 01:15:34.135
to do that when we got to item 19 so

01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:35.816
Council Brown has moved item one and

01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:38.456
Council Campbell seconded it thank you

01:15:38.480 --> 01:15:40.776
 thank you Lord May  it's always

01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:42.655
interesting to work through the cure

01:15:42.679 --> 01:15:45.256
review  or be calling it the cure

01:15:45.280 --> 01:15:46.536
review might get people over excited

01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:48.856
about what actually is but anyway um and

01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:51.175
see what how the functions of council

01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:53.416
are operating and indeed our projects

01:15:53.440 --> 01:15:55.736
are being delivered um just to highlight

01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:58.760
a few data points um we've installed 100

01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:00.856
additional biddens along the foreshore

01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:02.616
with the details that they are now

01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:05.496
emptied seven days and my understanding

01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:07.896
is they are also emptied more of them

01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:10.920
daily on those peak times  we all know

01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:13.175
the importance of bins especially red

01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:16.056
bins  we note the partnership with ISO

01:16:16.080 --> 01:16:18.376
to facilitate the community battery

01:16:18.400 --> 01:16:21.336
programs with suppliers as well as to 

01:16:21.360 --> 01:16:23.416
advertise net zero and all electric

01:16:23.440 --> 01:16:26.135
promotion these are good things  we're

01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:27.896
also supporting the  efforts to

01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:30.376
increase public curbside EV charging

01:16:30.400 --> 01:16:33.016
points um it's been interesting bit of

01:16:33.040 --> 01:16:35.256
debate a number of state governments 

01:16:35.280 --> 01:16:38.056
going through this process about 

01:16:38.080 --> 01:16:40.776
adopting distance charge for vehicles 

01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:43.096
as a fees particularly as a replacement

01:16:43.120 --> 01:16:44.456
for revenue that would otherwise got

01:16:44.480 --> 01:16:47.016
from um petrol levies  maybe the

01:16:47.040 --> 01:16:48.376
answer here is to clip the ticket on

01:16:48.400 --> 01:16:50.856
those curbside charges as a less blunt

01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:52.936
instrument  that would also promote

01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:55.896
home batteries and charging um just an

01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:57.496
idea to throw out there  if I

01:16:57.520 --> 01:16:59.896
understand the numbers correctly  we

01:16:59.920 --> 01:17:01.816
have directly or through partners

01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:04.840
planted a shade over 4,000 trees and and

01:17:05.040 --> 01:17:07.096
one area that's new and not directly in

01:17:07.120 --> 01:17:09.496
our of our making is animal care and

01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:11.736
impounding  which appears to be

01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:14.376
something of an unexpected success it's

01:17:14.400 --> 01:17:16.536
an interesting story there we've rehomed

01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:19.336
121 animals and 110 are going into

01:17:19.360 --> 01:17:21.976
foster care  clearly this is an

01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:23.976
involving space but I'd like to give

01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:25.976
thanks to the public and all those

01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:27.576
people who have helped to find homes for

01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:30.215
those cats and animals cats and dogs um

01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:31.976
this is an interesting space we really

01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:33.816
weren't sure how this program might

01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:35.976
unfold and I think from what we're

01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:37.976
seeing so far people are getting behind

01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:39.736
it and it is a success although there's

01:17:39.760 --> 01:17:41.336
a great deal of work to do in this space

01:17:41.360 --> 01:17:43.655
and and finally Lord Mayor the data we

01:17:43.679 --> 01:17:44.816
all wait

01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:47.840
for is the crane index and there was a

01:17:48.480 --> 01:17:50.376
27% uplift over the quarter so look

01:17:50.400 --> 01:17:51.736
we're happy to leave it there and listen

01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:53.896
to other councils in the vote thank you

01:17:53.920 --> 01:17:54.816
Councelor

01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:57.840
Campbell thank you Lord Mayor um I went

01:17:58.159 --> 01:17:59.896
through and and picked out a couple of

01:17:59.920 --> 01:18:02.376
things out of the the hundreds of

01:18:02.400 --> 01:18:05.400
activities and the very diverse range

01:18:05.760 --> 01:18:08.096
 and functions and responsibilities of

01:18:08.120 --> 01:18:10.936
council thank you to the staff as always

01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:12.776
for bringing the quarterly review

01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:15.800
statement together um I'm going to focus

01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:18.135
on a couple of highlights that I was

01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:19.896
particularly interested in one was the

01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:22.376
youth forum that councelor and Hayes and

01:18:22.400 --> 01:18:25.175
I attended right in this chamber where

01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:28.199
we saw a very diverse and very broadly

01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:32.199
representative group of young people 

01:18:32.480 --> 01:18:34.655
take their affirmation and oath of

01:18:34.679 --> 01:18:37.679
office um one of the young people I was

01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:41.159
talking to has been um experiencing the

01:18:42.480 --> 01:18:45.480
out of home care system um there was

01:18:46.080 --> 01:18:49.080
some culturally diverse people there was

01:18:49.120 --> 01:18:52.120
lots of women and they were not just the

01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:55.175
kids that I would have expected to see

01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:57.416
so congratulations

01:18:57.440 --> 01:18:59.336
um to our staff for supporting the

01:18:59.360 --> 01:19:02.360
process that allowed such a um broad and

01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:06.296
diverse group of young people to make

01:19:06.320 --> 01:19:08.296
that contribution

01:19:08.320 --> 01:19:11.096
um I wish them well and also all of the

01:19:11.120 --> 01:19:12.616
young people that were at the youth

01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:14.695
awards that some counselors were also

01:19:14.719 --> 01:19:17.336
attended last quarter where we got to

01:19:17.360 --> 01:19:19.175
hear about some of the ma amazing

01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:21.736
contributions that young people have

01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:24.695
made in their communities and our city i

01:19:24.719 --> 01:19:27.175
always find it incredibly um

01:19:27.199 --> 01:19:29.655
heartwarming and it gives me great hope

01:19:29.679 --> 01:19:32.536
to the future for our future when we see

01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:35.560
some of those  young people um the

01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:38.135
children's swim free voucher program

01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:40.536
that was a bit of a a bit of a favorite

01:19:40.560 --> 01:19:43.536
for councelor Martin and I um

01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:45.976
anecdotally very good response from

01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:48.536
parents particularly in DAPTO and I'm

01:19:48.560 --> 01:19:50.936
looking forward to seeing the results

01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:53.960
and the report when it comes back and

01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:56.296
finally I'm very pleased to note that we

01:19:56.320 --> 01:19:58.456
have an item on our agenda later tonight

01:19:58.480 --> 01:20:00.695
that's been passed on block but it's

01:20:00.719 --> 01:20:03.256
also within this report where we are

01:20:03.280 --> 01:20:05.256
finalizing the long-term lease agreement

01:20:05.280 --> 01:20:08.280
with the Stingrays at Lakeland's Oval

01:20:08.560 --> 01:20:11.016
it's been a long and protracted process

01:20:11.040 --> 01:20:13.175
i really appreciate the staff efforts

01:20:13.199 --> 01:20:16.056
and the patience that they've shown and

01:20:16.080 --> 01:20:18.616
I wish the Stingrays every success in

01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:21.640
their new home ground

01:20:22.239 --> 01:20:25.239
no other lights are on so I'll go um I

01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:28.920
also want to  I think again the

01:20:28.960 --> 01:20:31.816
quarterly report demonstrates  the

01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:34.840
breadth of services and the the varied

01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:36.776
 infrastructure that we manage on

01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:39.800
behalf of our community and the QR sets

01:20:40.159 --> 01:20:42.536
out at those achievements against those

01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:44.616
um our goals and priorities and

01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:46.936
highlights much  for our community to

01:20:46.960 --> 01:20:49.960
be very proud of i'm sorry that  Mr mr

01:20:50.159 --> 01:20:52.215
huxable has left the room because I

01:20:52.239 --> 01:20:54.776
think the QR really highlights all that

01:20:54.800 --> 01:20:56.776
we do for the environment and that it's

01:20:56.800 --> 01:20:59.736
at um the front of mind so many of our

01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:02.760
our programs  but the QR also looks at

01:21:03.360 --> 01:21:05.175
the visitor economy and transport

01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:07.816
community facilities parks ball fields

01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:09.976
and um the transport infrastructure that

01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:11.496
we delivered with our roads and

01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:14.135
footpaths and cycleways and all of that

01:21:14.159 --> 01:21:17.159
um some of the big ticket items for me

01:21:17.199 --> 01:21:18.776
 that were highlighted was the

01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:20.616
demolition works that have started on

01:21:20.640 --> 01:21:22.376
the southern suburbs community center

01:21:22.400 --> 01:21:25.400
and library um that's a a big one that

01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:28.056
we're all watching with interest our

01:21:28.080 --> 01:21:29.976
planning has progressed for re

01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:32.296
refurbishment works at Coral Dapto and

01:21:32.320 --> 01:21:35.016
Thuru district centers the Helensburg

01:21:35.040 --> 01:21:37.175
community rooms reopened in January and

01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:39.016
I know councelor Martin really welcomed

01:21:39.040 --> 01:21:41.816
that um and roof grow upgrades at

01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:44.056
Unadanderea Community Center and Library

01:21:44.080 --> 01:21:45.416
which was just down the road from where

01:21:45.440 --> 01:21:48.135
I grew up so um I know my mom and

01:21:48.159 --> 01:21:49.416
neighbors were very happy to see all

01:21:49.440 --> 01:21:51.336
that finished but some of the key

01:21:51.360 --> 01:21:53.976
figures that really stood out for me 

01:21:54.000 --> 01:21:55.896
as councelor Brown has highlighted the

01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:58.920
13 cranes in the city skyline you know

01:21:58.960 --> 01:22:00.776
it's a good economic indicator of

01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:03.496
activity happening  in our community

01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:06.056
 but we also had lots that impacted on

01:22:06.080 --> 01:22:08.296
our people 10,000 people came to the

01:22:08.320 --> 01:22:11.320
Australia Day celebrations  28,000

01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:13.896
came to yours and ours as we heard from

01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:16.920
Ben Tilman today um and I want to thank

01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:18.776
council staff for their assistance in

01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:21.800
turning that around in record time um

01:22:22.639 --> 01:22:25.639
there were 128 activities and events at

01:22:25.679 --> 01:22:28.615
the senior festival and 200 people

01:22:28.639 --> 01:22:31.639
attend the Lord May's  afternoon tea

01:22:31.679 --> 01:22:33.416
dance and I can tell you I danced with

01:22:33.440 --> 01:22:36.440
all 200 of them  council's beaches

01:22:37.280 --> 01:22:40.280
performed 224 rescues assisted

01:22:42.440 --> 01:22:45.440
1,181 first aid incidents and provided

01:22:46.080 --> 01:22:49.056
safety advice to

01:22:49.080 --> 01:22:51.976
23,555 swimmers what an incredible

01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:54.416
effort um from all of those

01:22:54.440 --> 01:22:57.440
services and we had 7 thou

01:22:58.360 --> 01:23:01.016
79,542 visitors to the WollongongBotanic

01:23:01.040 --> 01:23:03.496
Gardens  which doesn't include the

01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:05.896
60,000 that came in the next quarter for

01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:07.736
sculptures in the garden and I'm sure

01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:09.336
there were many more people there last

01:23:09.360 --> 01:23:12.360
weekend so we deliver so much and our

01:23:13.040 --> 01:23:14.536
people are getting out and enjoying

01:23:14.560 --> 01:23:16.376
these events that are happening enjoying

01:23:16.400 --> 01:23:19.400
using our facilities enjoying the  493

01:23:20.440 --> 01:23:23.440
parks 65 sports fields 220 playing

01:23:25.120 --> 01:23:27.496
fields  the outdoor fitness stations

01:23:27.520 --> 01:23:30.456
the turf wickets and the 154 playgrounds

01:23:30.480 --> 01:23:32.615
that we deliver it always blows my mind

01:23:32.639 --> 01:23:34.856
how many  of these sort of facilities

01:23:34.880 --> 01:23:37.880
that we maintain  and care for so I

01:23:38.400 --> 01:23:40.296
think our community can be assured that

01:23:40.320 --> 01:23:43.215
this council backed by an incredibly

01:23:43.239 --> 01:23:46.215
hardworking workforce are achieving for

01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:48.695
this community absolutely delivering for

01:23:48.719 --> 01:23:51.496
our community across a range of areas 

01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:53.256
and I'm really very proud of the list of

01:23:53.280 --> 01:23:54.695
achievements that are highlighted in

01:23:54.719 --> 01:23:57.719
this QR and I encourage everyone to 

01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:00.760
enjoy it read it  and recognize how

01:24:01.440 --> 01:24:03.816
much happens across our community 

01:24:03.840 --> 01:24:06.776
councelor Brown reply okay so I'll put

01:24:06.800 --> 01:24:09.496
the motion all those in favor against

01:24:09.520 --> 01:24:11.736
declare that carried thank you move to

01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:14.536
item two Lulawara option study councelor

01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:17.096
Campbell moving that councelor Martin

01:24:17.120 --> 01:24:19.416
seconding it thank you councelor

01:24:19.440 --> 01:24:22.440
Campbell thank you Lord Mayor um as a

01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:26.840
wise person once said to me G Linda if

01:24:27.120 --> 01:24:29.456
it was easy we would have already fixed

01:24:29.480 --> 01:24:32.480
it that's certainly how I apply that

01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:36.135
thinking to the lake

01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:39.159
this recommendation that I'm happy to

01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:42.880
support includes keeping the community

01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:45.016
informed and I think that's something

01:24:45.040 --> 01:24:48.040
that we've really got to work hard at

01:24:48.760 --> 01:24:50.576
um

01:24:50.600 --> 01:24:53.600
it we know that in the bad old days we

01:24:55.600 --> 01:24:58.600
called it Lake Stinker if I go back a

01:24:58.719 --> 01:24:59.536
little bit

01:24:59.560 --> 01:25:02.376
further to a childhood where I swam in

01:25:02.400 --> 01:25:05.400
the lake and prawned in the lake to 70s

01:25:06.080 --> 01:25:08.695
80s when it was Lake Stinker and when

01:25:08.719 --> 01:25:11.016
you came off your sailboard in front of

01:25:11.040 --> 01:25:13.256
the Marinda you went up to your midcuffs

01:25:13.280 --> 01:25:16.280
in black ooze so certainly we've seen

01:25:16.920 --> 01:25:19.816
major improvements since the lake

01:25:19.840 --> 01:25:21.336
opening

01:25:21.360 --> 01:25:24.215
and we we don't want to go back to where

01:25:24.239 --> 01:25:27.239
it was but those improvements have come

01:25:27.440 --> 01:25:30.440
at a cost and what we have to do now is

01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:34.199
hasten slowly to make sure we make the

01:25:35.280 --> 01:25:38.280
very best decision we can this

01:25:38.760 --> 01:25:41.760
recommendation moves us towards that

01:25:41.880 --> 01:25:44.880
outcome while still considering all the

01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:47.960
elements that may or may not happen and

01:25:48.320 --> 01:25:50.416
go with any further

01:25:50.440 --> 01:25:53.336
intervention it's a complex dynamic

01:25:53.360 --> 01:25:56.056
issue that requires our very best

01:25:56.080 --> 01:25:59.080
thinking and our very best levels of

01:25:59.120 --> 01:26:01.336
consultation with all sorts of people

01:26:01.360 --> 01:26:03.376
those who live here and those who are

01:26:03.400 --> 01:26:05.976
experts and we're going to need lots of

01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:09.000
help um before any action can be taken

01:26:11.120 --> 01:26:12.936
and we're going to need the state

01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:14.296
government and perhaps the federal

01:26:14.320 --> 01:26:17.320
government to help us out but what I'd

01:26:17.360 --> 01:26:20.360
like to get back to is how important it

01:26:20.400 --> 01:26:23.400
is that we keep the community informed

01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:26.600
of what we're doing and why and to allow

01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:29.655
them to be heard we did some really good

01:26:29.679 --> 01:26:32.679
work on the drop in at Wendang and it's

01:26:33.679 --> 01:26:35.496
certainly the Windang residents that

01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:38.056
seem to be the most impacted at this

01:26:38.080 --> 01:26:41.080
time um and so I'm pleased to see that

01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:45.239
the recommendation includes that

01:26:46.639 --> 01:26:49.096
thank you Council Martin

01:26:49.120 --> 01:26:52.120
thank you Lord Mayor um this is an

01:26:52.159 --> 01:26:54.655
incredibly important

01:26:54.679 --> 01:26:57.679
um environment if you like for Lake

01:26:58.400 --> 01:27:00.296
 and yes there seems to be a bit of a

01:27:00.320 --> 01:27:02.615
theme happening here so far that is in

01:27:02.639 --> 01:27:03.615
our

01:27:03.639 --> 01:27:06.576
consultation

01:27:06.600 --> 01:27:09.600
um I have a few emails from people who

01:27:10.480 --> 01:27:13.480
are very concerned about the notion that

01:27:13.679 --> 01:27:16.679
we would let  remove the

01:27:17.480 --> 01:27:20.480
um the groins and let the lake go back

01:27:21.360 --> 01:27:24.175
to what it was

01:27:24.199 --> 01:27:27.199
um and that was an option that has been

01:27:27.920 --> 01:27:28.736
um

01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:31.760
considered the issues that I've had

01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:35.816
around the late over the years of being

01:27:35.840 --> 01:27:37.655
on that committee and variously chairing

01:27:37.679 --> 01:27:40.615
that committee has really been around

01:27:40.639 --> 01:27:43.639
visible change within the momentum of

01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:46.920
that committee and the

01:27:48.360 --> 01:27:51.360
um incredible force of the water as it

01:27:53.520 --> 01:27:56.520
as that tidal flow comes in and out and

01:27:57.400 --> 01:28:00.400
the sense of dread around the worst

01:28:02.719 --> 01:28:03.936
possible

01:28:03.960 --> 01:28:06.135
scenarios and the worst possible

01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:09.159
scenarios are really not only around

01:28:09.560 --> 01:28:12.560
losing infrastructure as in fact we've

01:28:12.639 --> 01:28:15.639
already lost a number of um

01:28:17.480 --> 01:28:20.480
 decky bits that go out into the water

01:28:21.120 --> 01:28:24.120
h jet jetties um technical terms we've

01:28:25.440 --> 01:28:28.440
also lost a much loved playground and

01:28:28.800 --> 01:28:31.800
we're in the process of of finding a new

01:28:32.159 --> 01:28:35.159
home for a really good playground but

01:28:35.440 --> 01:28:38.440
it's also about  the safety of locals

01:28:41.120 --> 01:28:42.496
and

01:28:42.520 --> 01:28:44.016
visitors

01:28:44.040 --> 01:28:47.040
and how we are able to manage the

01:28:49.639 --> 01:28:52.639
physicality of that enormous surge of

01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:55.175
water in and out of the lake when you

01:28:55.199 --> 01:28:57.655
think about the size of the lake there's

01:28:57.679 --> 01:28:59.655
water coming in and water coming out

01:28:59.679 --> 01:29:02.615
equal to the size of the lake and it's

01:29:02.639 --> 01:29:05.639
making one of a job of

01:29:06.760 --> 01:29:09.175
undermining our in not only our

01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:12.199
infrastructure but a certain bridge as a

01:29:12.360 --> 01:29:15.256
bridge and I think we'd all feel a

01:29:15.280 --> 01:29:16.416
little bit

01:29:16.440 --> 01:29:19.440
um unimpressed if at some point that

01:29:20.480 --> 01:29:22.376
bridge wasn't quite as strong and

01:29:22.400 --> 01:29:25.400
wonderful as what it is now I say that

01:29:25.600 --> 01:29:28.416
in the process of looking at the future

01:29:28.440 --> 01:29:31.336
program we have had some very strong

01:29:31.360 --> 01:29:33.816
views coming from the ainal lands

01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:34.856
council

01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:37.880
who have been very clear around the

01:29:39.480 --> 01:29:42.215
incredible significance of the lake and

01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:45.239
the foreshore to local aboriginal

01:29:47.239 --> 01:29:50.239
culture past and present and I have had

01:29:51.920 --> 01:29:54.920
to explain to a few locals that we can't

01:29:55.199 --> 01:29:58.199
go pouring chunks of concrete along the

01:29:59.719 --> 01:30:02.719
foreshore or ribbon up bits in order to

01:30:03.440 --> 01:30:05.896
just you know put a quick play around

01:30:05.920 --> 01:30:08.920
because there are very significant sites

01:30:09.440 --> 01:30:12.440
along that foreshore and we should not

01:30:12.719 --> 01:30:15.719
take um our our eyes off our

01:30:17.080 --> 01:30:19.736
responsibility as an organization to the

01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:22.056
care of those for shores and respect of

01:30:22.080 --> 01:30:25.080
that culture as a living culture

01:30:25.760 --> 01:30:28.536
i think what I'm very pleased with with

01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:30.695
the recommendation of staff and

01:30:30.719 --> 01:30:33.096
something that we've heard a lot from

01:30:33.120 --> 01:30:36.120
very frustrated members of our community

01:30:36.480 --> 01:30:39.480
particularly women and that is around is

01:30:40.639 --> 01:30:43.215
there any way we can look at some

01:30:43.239 --> 01:30:46.239
temporary ameliorations and this

01:30:46.480 --> 01:30:49.480
particular report has a section to um

01:30:49.840 --> 01:30:52.496
continue to investigate short and medium

01:30:52.520 --> 01:30:55.520
to medium term  for protection works i

01:30:56.880 --> 01:30:58.376
don't know what that looks like but as

01:30:58.400 --> 01:31:01.400
you all know I am certainly no engineer

01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:04.520
and um I hope that the brains trust who

01:31:05.520 --> 01:31:08.520
will be part of this next process are

01:31:08.639 --> 01:31:11.016
able to come up with some systems and

01:31:11.040 --> 01:31:13.215
some strategies to

01:31:13.239 --> 01:31:16.239
help the um immediate foreshore areas so

01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:20.695
that people still have a sense that we

01:31:20.719 --> 01:31:22.496
haven't

01:31:22.520 --> 01:31:24.816
forgotten and I would like just to

01:31:24.840 --> 01:31:27.840
remind people before I I finish what I

01:31:28.159 --> 01:31:31.159
have to say that comparing our foreshore

01:31:32.239 --> 01:31:35.239
to the one across the way at Red Reserve

01:31:35.840 --> 01:31:38.816
is like chalk and

01:31:38.840 --> 01:31:41.840
cheese the beautiful foreshore at Shell

01:31:42.960 --> 01:31:45.960
Harbor is possible because they don't

01:31:46.480 --> 01:31:49.480
have a dirty great big channel on their

01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:52.920
foreshore ripping it up so for us to do

01:31:53.600 --> 01:31:56.600
something pretty on our foreshore would

01:31:57.120 --> 01:31:59.416
be in New Zealand probably by the end of

01:31:59.440 --> 01:32:00.096
the

01:32:00.120 --> 01:32:03.120
month and I don't know about you but I'm

01:32:03.280 --> 01:32:06.280
not about to support any project that

01:32:07.360 --> 01:32:10.360
the Kiwis get the benefit from

01:32:11.199 --> 01:32:13.096
your time has expired Council Martin do

01:32:13.120 --> 01:32:15.896
you know your time

01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:18.920
do you want some more time no please

01:32:19.040 --> 01:32:20.856
yeah

01:32:20.880 --> 01:32:23.175
this this is a wicked problem but it's a

01:32:23.199 --> 01:32:25.976
problem that combined minds and combined

01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:28.695
councils and as I say to people the cast

01:32:28.719 --> 01:32:31.719
of thousands on that committee plus this

01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:34.615
new executive committee who obviously

01:32:34.639 --> 01:32:37.639
will be going to the state defense to

01:32:38.440 --> 01:32:41.440
um keep the tip if you like financially

01:32:42.480 --> 01:32:44.536
 because there's no way in hell our

01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:46.936
residents and businesses are going to be

01:32:46.960 --> 01:32:49.576
able to afford to do this through our

01:32:49.600 --> 01:32:52.296
own finances this is predominantly a

01:32:52.320 --> 01:32:55.320
state government responsibility and we

01:32:55.679 --> 01:32:58.679
deeply hope that they appreciate that

01:32:58.760 --> 01:33:01.256
responsibility and that we're able to

01:33:01.280 --> 01:33:04.280
work on this next iteration of work

01:33:04.719 --> 01:33:07.719
thank you thank you Council Stewart

01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:10.536
oh thank you you've turned your light

01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:12.536
off

01:33:12.560 --> 01:33:15.560
it's there  thank you Lord Mayor i'd

01:33:16.400 --> 01:33:18.776
also like to thank staff for the work 

01:33:18.800 --> 01:33:20.456
which I think is really tricky and

01:33:20.480 --> 01:33:23.336
difficult as councelor Campbell and

01:33:23.360 --> 01:33:26.360
councelor Martin have referred to um

01:33:26.719 --> 01:33:28.615
many people love the lake their

01:33:28.639 --> 01:33:30.376
connections and enjoyment of the lake

01:33:30.400 --> 01:33:32.615
are underpinned by its ecological health

01:33:32.639 --> 01:33:34.456
and that comes out strongly in the

01:33:34.480 --> 01:33:37.480
responses from both Wulingong and um

01:33:37.840 --> 01:33:40.256
Shell Harbor residents

01:33:40.280 --> 01:33:43.016
i really appreciate the report which was

01:33:43.040 --> 01:33:44.856
very clear to follow and a good summary

01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:47.256
of of um and the letters we received

01:33:47.280 --> 01:33:50.280
from the various agencies um I expressed

01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:53.336
the support for the proposed next steps

01:33:53.360 --> 01:33:55.336
which draw on the responses from the

01:33:55.360 --> 01:33:57.976
various government agencies and from the

01:33:58.000 --> 01:34:01.000
community um prioritizing um options

01:34:02.159 --> 01:34:05.159
five and options four  and or or

01:34:05.360 --> 01:34:07.976
variations of them

01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:10.856
 I also really want to acknowledge

01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:13.880
that the  ilawara land aboriginal um

01:34:16.080 --> 01:34:19.080
sorry local aboriginal land council um

01:34:19.280 --> 01:34:22.280
talk about the the lake I ilawara as a

01:34:22.639 --> 01:34:24.776
living cultural landscape and their

01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:27.416
priorities with cultural heritage issues

01:34:27.440 --> 01:34:30.296
so I just really appreciate the work and

01:34:30.320 --> 01:34:33.096
support it thank you councelor Morris 

01:34:33.120 --> 01:34:35.896
thank you Lord Mayor  I just want to

01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:37.816
 put up there the part that I've got

01:34:37.840 --> 01:34:39.816
to make a comment on his  report

01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:42.840
against leave asis base case i I really

01:34:43.679 --> 01:34:45.655
want that  see if I can get that

01:34:45.679 --> 01:34:48.679
emphasized against the leave asis um but

01:34:49.120 --> 01:34:50.695
we need to make sure the community knows

01:34:50.719 --> 01:34:52.936
that it is a 150ear settle set

01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:55.576
settlement process that is going forward

01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:57.576
um and we have to manage that over a

01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:00.135
very very long period of time  state

01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:01.896
governments whoever's in charge are

01:35:01.920 --> 01:35:03.896
going to need to have bipartisan

01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:05.816
achievement on this to make sure that

01:35:05.840 --> 01:35:08.840
this  lake is preserved for many many

01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:12.536
generations um and it's going to take a

01:35:12.560 --> 01:35:14.456
long time to get it to that settlement

01:35:14.480 --> 01:35:16.936
period and no one here today is going to

01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:18.695
be able to envision what it's going to

01:35:18.719 --> 01:35:21.016
be in 150 years but we have to do

01:35:21.040 --> 01:35:23.016
something to make sure it is there in

01:35:23.040 --> 01:35:25.655
150 years and not washed away  and if

01:35:25.679 --> 01:35:27.336
we've got it in the conclusion down here

01:35:27.360 --> 01:35:29.416
where it it does state in the conclusion

01:35:29.440 --> 01:35:32.215
of the report that it is a long-term

01:35:32.239 --> 01:35:34.296
entrance management option and we need

01:35:34.320 --> 01:35:36.376
to make sure that everyone on all sides

01:35:36.400 --> 01:35:38.936
understand that this is not a rush job

01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:41.960
ever thank you thank you Whitaker

01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:46.840
thank you um I just want to take a

01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:48.776
moment to thank the staff for all the

01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:51.096
way the work that they do um I had the

01:35:51.120 --> 01:35:52.776
pleasure of being a community rep on the

01:35:52.800 --> 01:35:54.856
lake committee um before I was a

01:35:54.880 --> 01:35:56.776
counselor and it was a fantastic

01:35:56.800 --> 01:35:58.936
experience it's a wonderful group to be

01:35:58.960 --> 01:36:00.936
part of and I'm really excited for the

01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:03.056
new community members to be joining this

01:36:03.080 --> 01:36:06.080
term and um yeah while it's exciting to

01:36:07.120 --> 01:36:10.120
see seals in the lake and mangroves pop

01:36:10.239 --> 01:36:11.736
up and things like that it is the sign

01:36:11.760 --> 01:36:14.760
of a system in transition um from an

01:36:15.360 --> 01:36:18.360
icol to a marine environment and experts

01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:19.896
have said that it's not going to

01:36:19.920 --> 01:36:21.896
stabilize for at least 100 years which

01:36:21.920 --> 01:36:24.920
is um yeah pretty scary and interesting

01:36:25.120 --> 01:36:28.120
but we do need to take action um just

01:36:29.360 --> 01:36:31.576
reiterating um councilor Stewart's point

01:36:31.600 --> 01:36:33.896
that  the recreational value is

01:36:33.920 --> 01:36:36.135
underpinned by the ecological value of

01:36:36.159 --> 01:36:39.159
the lake and I hope that we do take a

01:36:40.159 --> 01:36:41.736
really good look at what we can do to

01:36:41.760 --> 01:36:43.736
improve the catchment and the inflows to

01:36:43.760 --> 01:36:45.576
the lake with whatever decision is made

01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:48.600
we still have lots of boine animals

01:36:49.280 --> 01:36:51.496
grazing in the creeks and things like

01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:53.976
that um and I think the we really need

01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:56.536
to think hard about the water flowing in

01:36:56.560 --> 01:36:58.135
regardless of the option what we do at

01:36:58.159 --> 01:36:59.576
the entrance to make sure that we get

01:36:59.600 --> 01:37:02.600
the maximum benefit for whatever outlay

01:37:02.719 --> 01:37:05.016
we have to fix this um horrendous

01:37:05.040 --> 01:37:07.095
problem thank you thank you Council

01:37:07.119 --> 01:37:10.119
Anthony yes um I like councelor Morris

01:37:10.560 --> 01:37:12.056
I'm concerned that we can't we

01:37:12.080 --> 01:37:13.256
definitely have to emphasize that we

01:37:13.280 --> 01:37:15.736
can't just leave it it is um we I think

01:37:15.760 --> 01:37:17.016
there's something urgently needs to be

01:37:17.040 --> 01:37:19.736
done but I'm just concerned that there

01:37:19.760 --> 01:37:21.095
there's not a quick solution where we

01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:22.695
can just chuck a couple of big rocks in

01:37:22.719 --> 01:37:25.095
the water and hope that um that doesn't

01:37:25.119 --> 01:37:27.496
have any adverse effects my my concern

01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:29.816
is that we need to make sure we get the

01:37:29.840 --> 01:37:32.840
best expert opinions on on what to do um

01:37:33.040 --> 01:37:36.040
I just remember many years ago when 

01:37:36.320 --> 01:37:38.135
the third runway was being constructed

01:37:38.159 --> 01:37:41.159
in Sydney on Botney Bay and um then I

01:37:42.400 --> 01:37:44.215
remember for many years later after that

01:37:44.239 --> 01:37:45.816
there was a a lot of erosion on the

01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:48.376
other side of the bay because people

01:37:48.400 --> 01:37:50.856
didn't pursu couldn't see in advance

01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:52.215
that there was going to be like erosion

01:37:52.239 --> 01:37:53.816
and that cost hundreds of thousand

01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:55.175
dollars more to stop that erosion that

01:37:55.199 --> 01:37:56.536
was occurring so I just want to make

01:37:56.560 --> 01:37:59.336
sure we have a solution that that um

01:37:59.360 --> 01:38:01.496
yeah where we get the best opinions and

01:38:01.520 --> 01:38:03.896
um and make sure we do it right the

01:38:03.920 --> 01:38:05.496
first time so we don't have any adverse

01:38:05.520 --> 01:38:07.816
effects i would hate to think that the

01:38:07.840 --> 01:38:09.336
we could redirect the channel and start

01:38:09.360 --> 01:38:12.360
eroding on the shell harour side of the

01:38:12.920 --> 01:38:15.920
um of the

01:38:16.400 --> 01:38:19.256
Thank you  thank you everyone

01:38:19.280 --> 01:38:21.336
certainly as we've heard tonight we do

01:38:21.360 --> 01:38:24.360
face a wicked conundrum um and I think

01:38:24.480 --> 01:38:27.175
our community does acknowledge that 

01:38:27.199 --> 01:38:29.336
so looking at you know what to wear and

01:38:29.360 --> 01:38:31.576
if we as council Anthony says chuck a

01:38:31.600 --> 01:38:33.576
few rocks in what are the unintended

01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:36.600
consequences u let alone how much will

01:38:36.800 --> 01:38:39.095
it cost and that's  one of the big

01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:41.976
things that really worries me um and

01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:44.456
we've seen as councelor Martin has um

01:38:44.480 --> 01:38:46.936
emphasized tonight the lake er the

01:38:46.960 --> 01:38:49.175
erosion the tidal flows the impacts on

01:38:49.199 --> 01:38:50.936
the wingang foreshore and the channel

01:38:50.960 --> 01:38:53.175
islands  that have come since the

01:38:53.199 --> 01:38:56.199
opening back in 

01:38:56.360 --> 01:38:59.360
2007 um and so this is clear that a do

01:39:00.639 --> 01:39:03.639
nothing  is is no solution i like

01:39:03.840 --> 01:39:05.816
councelor Campbell's point to hasten

01:39:05.840 --> 01:39:08.840
slowly  and I think our community ver

01:39:09.199 --> 01:39:10.695
encouraged that that they want a very

01:39:10.719 --> 01:39:13.416
measured approach um so we have before

01:39:13.440 --> 01:39:16.376
us a a few options but at considerable

01:39:16.400 --> 01:39:18.615
cost and know some of them were 15

01:39:18.639 --> 01:39:21.336
million 30 million 40 million 70 million

01:39:21.360 --> 01:39:24.296
240 million  nothing is going to

01:39:24.320 --> 01:39:26.856
happen easily here which is why it's

01:39:26.880 --> 01:39:29.256
apparent that Shell Harour and Wllingong

01:39:29.280 --> 01:39:31.496
councils  certainly will need the

01:39:31.520 --> 01:39:33.496
financial support of the New South Wales

01:39:33.520 --> 01:39:36.520
government  to fund any future works

01:39:36.560 --> 01:39:38.456
 hence our request to undertake a

01:39:38.480 --> 01:39:41.416
strategic business case to identify how

01:39:41.440 --> 01:39:44.056
we can financially progress any of these

01:39:44.080 --> 01:39:47.016
options  I also want to thank the over

01:39:47.040 --> 01:39:49.496
500 members of the community who

01:39:49.520 --> 01:39:52.135
responded to the study  it is very

01:39:52.159 --> 01:39:54.135
apparent how much our community values

01:39:54.159 --> 01:39:57.159
the lake um and  that consensus is

01:39:58.800 --> 01:40:00.456
never going to be reached I think is

01:40:00.480 --> 01:40:03.256
something we can also see  and as 

01:40:03.280 --> 01:40:04.856
we've talked about tonight many of us

01:40:04.880 --> 01:40:07.095
have grown up around the lake  and

01:40:07.119 --> 01:40:08.776
have memories of it for me it was

01:40:08.800 --> 01:40:10.615
prawning with my father and grandfather

01:40:10.639 --> 01:40:13.336
and walking in from the King Street end

01:40:13.360 --> 01:40:15.256
and then racing home to Gwynville to

01:40:15.280 --> 01:40:17.416
Nana's kitchen to heat up the prawns 

01:40:17.440 --> 01:40:19.095
to boil them up that that was one of the

01:40:19.119 --> 01:40:20.936
best nights of I think of my life

01:40:20.960 --> 01:40:22.695
sitting there with the the prawns were

01:40:22.719 --> 01:40:25.576
running they were flowing that night so

01:40:25.600 --> 01:40:27.496
those times with family whether it's

01:40:27.520 --> 01:40:30.456
boating fishing recreation  we all

01:40:30.480 --> 01:40:32.695
value the water quality we remember the

01:40:32.719 --> 01:40:35.719
smells  from when the lake was closed

01:40:35.760 --> 01:40:37.816
so while we can all second guess they

01:40:37.840 --> 01:40:40.215
shouldn't have opened it you know you

01:40:40.239 --> 01:40:41.816
will never know and we're now dealing

01:40:41.840 --> 01:40:44.376
with the problem in front of us so I do

01:40:44.400 --> 01:40:45.976
want to thank the academics and the

01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:47.896
researchers of the um University of New

01:40:47.920 --> 01:40:50.456
South Wales Water Research Laboratory

01:40:50.480 --> 01:40:53.480
who've put this option study together um

01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:56.296
but it is clear there is no easy fix

01:40:56.320 --> 01:40:58.936
there is no quick fix  and as I said

01:40:58.960 --> 01:41:00.536
the community have made it very clear

01:41:00.560 --> 01:41:02.376
that they want a measured approach to

01:41:02.400 --> 01:41:05.175
this um but I don't think we can sit on

01:41:05.199 --> 01:41:07.736
our hands with it either so to meet that

01:41:07.760 --> 01:41:09.576
objective we really need the New South

01:41:09.600 --> 01:41:11.655
Wales government to engage with both

01:41:11.679 --> 01:41:14.376
councils  work together on tackling

01:41:14.400 --> 01:41:17.336
this  enormous problem  is without

01:41:17.360 --> 01:41:20.360
any financial support any progress will

01:41:20.400 --> 01:41:23.400
be extremely limited a long way into the

01:41:23.440 --> 01:41:25.655
future and maybe it's that 100 years

01:41:25.679 --> 01:41:27.175
that we're looking at and none of us

01:41:27.199 --> 01:41:30.175
want that so councelor Campbell write a

01:41:30.199 --> 01:41:32.456
reply thank you with that I'll put the

01:41:32.480 --> 01:41:34.936
motion all those in favor against

01:41:34.960 --> 01:41:37.960
declare that carried thank you item

01:41:38.360 --> 01:41:40.856
three councelor Stewart moving that

01:41:40.880 --> 01:41:43.880
motion secer council Hayes council

01:41:44.560 --> 01:41:46.936
Stewart  thank you Lord Mayor yeah I

01:41:46.960 --> 01:41:49.816
didn't want this motion to go  this

01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:52.840
item to go on block i just I want to I

01:41:53.520 --> 01:41:55.816
move that this recommendation from staff

01:41:55.840 --> 01:41:58.840
be as written be  approved all I

01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:01.896
wanted to say was thank you to the

01:42:01.920 --> 01:42:04.296
primary community representatives

01:42:04.320 --> 01:42:07.320
Rebecca Lambert and Alexander Shirley

01:42:07.600 --> 01:42:09.896
and to the alternative the alternate

01:42:09.920 --> 01:42:12.215
community representatives Tracy Baron

01:42:12.239 --> 01:42:15.239
Emma Rrooksby and Colin Leaf Flem for

01:42:15.280 --> 01:42:18.280
their willingness to um offer to serve

01:42:20.320 --> 01:42:22.215
in the community in this way on this

01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:25.239
committee um thank you also to Professor

01:42:25.520 --> 01:42:27.416
Caroli Rogers as the independent

01:42:27.440 --> 01:42:29.576
scientific adviser and Professor Brian

01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:32.215
Jones as the alternate independent

01:42:32.239 --> 01:42:34.376
scientific adviser for their willingness

01:42:34.400 --> 01:42:37.400
and service and I understand other

01:42:37.600 --> 01:42:39.816
people some including some of these have

01:42:39.840 --> 01:42:41.496
been on the committee over the years and

01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:44.520
helped in ways that  councelor Martin

01:42:44.719 --> 01:42:46.456
has been very involved with and I hear

01:42:46.480 --> 01:42:48.536
very good things about how people have

01:42:48.560 --> 01:42:50.695
worked together and so thank you to

01:42:50.719 --> 01:42:53.496
people in the past

01:42:53.520 --> 01:42:56.456
no further speakers i councelor Brown

01:42:56.480 --> 01:42:58.296
you nope i'll put the motion all those

01:42:58.320 --> 01:43:01.256
in favor against to clear that carried

01:43:01.280 --> 01:43:03.655
thank you item four thank you Lord Mayor

01:43:03.679 --> 01:43:05.256
i'll move the recommendation as printed

01:43:05.280 --> 01:43:07.576
councelor Richard Martin seconded thank

01:43:07.600 --> 01:43:10.376
you thank you Lord Mayor i suspect it's

01:43:10.400 --> 01:43:12.056
not widely understood in the community

01:43:12.080 --> 01:43:14.456
that at almost every meeting of council

01:43:14.480 --> 01:43:17.480
we either sell some land buy some land

01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:20.135
lease some land or let some land and

01:43:20.159 --> 01:43:23.095
this has been the case for decades um we

01:43:23.119 --> 01:43:25.095
hold land ultimately as a vehicle to

01:43:25.119 --> 01:43:27.175
deliver a service to our community 

01:43:27.199 --> 01:43:29.655
sometimes the service is obvious um

01:43:29.679 --> 01:43:32.296
community sporting recreational social

01:43:32.320 --> 01:43:34.215
cultural economic facilities buildings

01:43:34.239 --> 01:43:37.239
and so on  but sometimes the service

01:43:37.600 --> 01:43:40.456
is to generate funds to council as a

01:43:40.480 --> 01:43:43.480
landlord or by a divestment those funds

01:43:43.920 --> 01:43:45.976
are put to a purpose firstly they put

01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:48.456
downward pressure on rates and they can

01:43:48.480 --> 01:43:50.376
also be used to fund other facilities of

01:43:50.400 --> 01:43:53.400
the type just mentioned um as just as we

01:43:54.080 --> 01:43:55.976
review the actual facilities to change

01:43:56.000 --> 01:43:58.856
upgrade or remove or alter them  we

01:43:58.880 --> 01:44:00.856
need to review our land holdings as well

01:44:00.880 --> 01:44:02.896
u we need to keep asking

01:44:02.920 --> 01:44:05.896
ourselves is the asset relevant is the

01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:08.920
underlying service still needed does the

01:44:09.040 --> 01:44:11.416
community still need more of it perhaps

01:44:11.440 --> 01:44:14.056
um or perhaps critically can the service

01:44:14.080 --> 01:44:15.576
be delivered in a different and better

01:44:15.600 --> 01:44:18.600
way um the business p paper mentions

01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:21.655
council's unanimously supported housing

01:44:21.679 --> 01:44:23.816
strategy of only a few years ago which

01:44:23.840 --> 01:44:25.576
said that as council we'll interrogate

01:44:25.600 --> 01:44:27.496
our operational lands to see which are

01:44:27.520 --> 01:44:30.056
surplus any obvious requirements and can

01:44:30.080 --> 01:44:32.936
we free them up for housing um and to

01:44:32.960 --> 01:44:35.016
also go through and clarify those lands

01:44:35.040 --> 01:44:37.175
which should attract a recreational or

01:44:37.199 --> 01:44:40.199
conservation zoning um we note that this

01:44:40.560 --> 01:44:42.736
that strategy

01:44:42.760 --> 01:44:45.496
um yeah we say quite clearly we will not

01:44:45.520 --> 01:44:47.655
be the sole or main player combating the

01:44:47.679 --> 01:44:49.296
housing crisis but we have a role to

01:44:49.320 --> 01:44:52.320
play um as the report mentions there are

01:44:52.800 --> 01:44:54.936
some lots proposed for back zoning

01:44:54.960 --> 01:44:56.695
others to clarify whether they should be

01:44:56.719 --> 01:44:58.776
community land not to be sold and then

01:44:58.800 --> 01:44:59.976
there others are reversed so there's

01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:01.576
some swing swings and roundabouts in

01:45:01.600 --> 01:45:03.376
this report

01:45:03.400 --> 01:45:06.400
um I'll note that the both the 

01:45:07.040 --> 01:45:09.376
proposed reszoning and the proposed

01:45:09.400 --> 01:45:11.496
reclassifications have statutory

01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:14.296
exhibition and consultation processes 

01:45:14.320 --> 01:45:15.896
the latter with independently chaired

01:45:15.920 --> 01:45:18.135
public meetings and the former have been

01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:19.976
supported by the Wingong Independent

01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:22.936
Local Planning Panel um of interest is

01:45:22.960 --> 01:45:25.416
the panel's view that some of the lots

01:45:25.440 --> 01:45:27.016
proposed for back zoning should stay as

01:45:27.040 --> 01:45:28.776
residential as they have a quote

01:45:28.800 --> 01:45:30.936
development potential our independent

01:45:30.960 --> 01:45:32.135
body is saying we perhaps should go a

01:45:32.159 --> 01:45:33.816
little bit harder in this place i'm

01:45:33.840 --> 01:45:35.576
happy to see this go out for exhibition

01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:37.976
and get public comment um as per an

01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:39.816
earlier debate often when you put these

01:45:39.840 --> 01:45:41.736
things out to comment you find out the

01:45:41.760 --> 01:45:43.576
bits of land I use in a way that you did

01:45:43.600 --> 01:45:45.256
not originally envisage or to a level

01:45:45.280 --> 01:45:46.856
that you did not envisage so I'm happy

01:45:46.880 --> 01:45:49.016
to see this go out i'm happy also to 

01:45:49.040 --> 01:45:50.856
get the feedback from those formal

01:45:50.880 --> 01:45:53.175
public meetings and see what we get from

01:45:53.199 --> 01:45:55.416
this process  it will take some time

01:45:55.440 --> 01:45:57.095
but nonetheless this is the process we

01:45:57.119 --> 01:45:59.576
set up and work our way through

01:45:59.600 --> 01:46:01.655
council Stewart

01:46:01.679 --> 01:46:04.679
 thank you Lord Mayor um I generally

01:46:05.760 --> 01:46:07.655
support the overall process that's

01:46:07.679 --> 01:46:10.135
encapsulated here  there are a lot of

01:46:10.159 --> 01:46:13.159
pro um  properties discussed in the in

01:46:14.320 --> 01:46:17.320
the item however I have concerns and was

01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:20.135
wanting to put an amendment  related

01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:23.159
to three three topics on the agenda 

01:46:24.320 --> 01:46:27.320
so the first one is the NEZ reserve at

01:46:27.920 --> 01:46:30.920
Port Kembler um and the recommendation

01:46:31.040 --> 01:46:33.896
has four lots that comprise that NEZ

01:46:33.920 --> 01:46:36.920
reserve um there's lots 11 and 12

01:46:38.239 --> 01:46:41.239
um which are re currently RE1 zoned

01:46:42.400 --> 01:46:45.095
community and transferring to our to

01:46:45.119 --> 01:46:47.456
operational

01:46:47.480 --> 01:46:50.480
um  then there's lots 13 and lots 14

01:46:52.239 --> 01:46:55.239
 the concern I have specifically are

01:46:55.520 --> 01:46:58.520
related to lots 11 and 12 whether those

01:46:58.800 --> 01:47:01.800
two can be remained as RE1 community

01:47:04.840 --> 01:47:07.840
specifically and  I support the

01:47:08.480 --> 01:47:11.480
concept of lot and then I'm requesting

01:47:11.679 --> 01:47:14.679
an amendment related to lot 13 and lot

01:47:14.760 --> 01:47:17.760
14 that there is some proactive letter

01:47:18.800 --> 01:47:21.256
boxing of residents within that 1 km

01:47:21.280 --> 01:47:24.280
radius of that site to inform them of

01:47:24.560 --> 01:47:27.560
this whole process because not everyone

01:47:28.239 --> 01:47:31.016
follows council procedures and things

01:47:31.040 --> 01:47:34.040
that closely um there's been some people

01:47:34.159 --> 01:47:36.456
from the community sorry point of order

01:47:36.480 --> 01:47:38.615
if I I may thank you council we're

01:47:38.639 --> 01:47:40.376
entering debate for an amendment that I

01:47:40.400 --> 01:47:42.215
I don't actually see on the screen or

01:47:42.239 --> 01:47:44.135
has been seconded can we get to that so

01:47:44.159 --> 01:47:45.496
we can enter the debate and all know

01:47:45.520 --> 01:47:48.056
what is being referred to we'll get a

01:47:48.080 --> 01:47:50.536
seconder councelor Docker and then I

01:47:50.560 --> 01:47:51.655
think we were getting that there was

01:47:51.679 --> 01:47:53.536
summary of changes

01:47:53.560 --> 01:47:56.056
but I agree I haven't seen all of it

01:47:56.080 --> 01:47:59.080
either

01:47:59.159 --> 01:48:01.816
so So had you you'd circulated that

01:48:01.840 --> 01:48:04.840
amendment i I circulated it to to Cass

01:48:05.199 --> 01:48:08.199
to the staff to um with I didn't put it

01:48:08.719 --> 01:48:10.376
in formal words because it related to

01:48:10.400 --> 01:48:13.400
lots of little points within the the um

01:48:15.119 --> 01:48:16.175
in

01:48:16.199 --> 01:48:18.936
the in the formal recommendation so

01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:21.016
there's lots of little dot points rather

01:48:21.040 --> 01:48:23.175
than pointing out each little one

01:48:23.199 --> 01:48:26.199
because there's overlaps

01:48:28.760 --> 01:48:31.256
so so it was it was just about the

01:48:31.280 --> 01:48:34.256
properties at Ness Reserve and

01:48:34.280 --> 01:48:37.280
then seeking to remove one a Dennis

01:48:37.600 --> 01:48:40.296
Street at Wllingong

01:48:40.320 --> 01:48:43.320
not that's not the maybe go back to that

01:48:43.679 --> 01:48:45.776
summary of changes

01:48:45.800 --> 01:48:48.655
um because that's not really very clear

01:48:48.679 --> 01:48:51.679
on what all the changes are so is this

01:48:51.760 --> 01:48:53.655
this the summary of your changes

01:48:53.679 --> 01:48:56.679
suggested changes council Stewart

01:48:59.679 --> 01:49:02.296
 so removal manager just a moment

01:49:02.320 --> 01:49:05.175
council councelor just to just to assist

01:49:05.199 --> 01:49:07.736
if we actually put in that first one

01:49:07.760 --> 01:49:10.760
lots 11 and 12 from 2k and then just put

01:49:10.960 --> 01:49:12.256
brackets

01:49:12.280 --> 01:49:15.095
nas just to give the councilors clarity

01:49:15.119 --> 01:49:18.119
for the debate before we actually thank

01:49:18.639 --> 01:49:21.639
you um Cassandra

01:49:22.280 --> 01:49:25.016
um just to make sure that we've got the

01:49:25.040 --> 01:49:28.040
places Right the suburbs right may I ask

01:49:28.480 --> 01:49:30.776
a question of staff could not these

01:49:30.800 --> 01:49:32.376
changes be dealt with through the

01:49:32.400 --> 01:49:34.776
exhibition process rather than I just

01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:37.800
feel this is rushing us to get into very

01:49:37.840 --> 01:49:40.840
detail when we haven't had that fully

01:49:41.360 --> 01:49:43.615
would that be a way to handle

01:49:43.639 --> 01:49:46.296
it just a question first councelor Stew

01:49:46.320 --> 01:49:49.320
general manager mr green

01:49:49.840 --> 01:49:51.896
through the general manager um some of

01:49:51.920 --> 01:49:53.416
these changes are substantial would be

01:49:53.440 --> 01:49:55.976
better off knowing now what to put on

01:49:56.000 --> 01:49:58.615
exhibition so councelor Stewart's

01:49:58.639 --> 01:50:00.856
recommendation is almost opposite in

01:50:00.880 --> 01:50:03.880
parts to what we're recommending so if

01:50:04.000 --> 01:50:07.000
council doesn't want to proceed with the

01:50:07.119 --> 01:50:09.016
reclassification or resoning of some of

01:50:09.040 --> 01:50:12.040
the sites we know we can then prepare

01:50:12.159 --> 01:50:13.896
the planning proposal or exhibition

01:50:13.920 --> 01:50:16.456
along those lines all right so we just

01:50:16.480 --> 01:50:17.976
leave it as a separate amendment

01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:19.655
probably sounds the best way to deal

01:50:19.679 --> 01:50:22.135
with it y okay sorry Council Stewart

01:50:22.159 --> 01:50:23.896
please continue

01:50:23.920 --> 01:50:26.920
so with the nest site um removing lots

01:50:27.760 --> 01:50:30.175
11 and 12 from the

01:50:30.199 --> 01:50:33.199
reclassification with lots 13 and 14 of

01:50:33.440 --> 01:50:36.296
the nest asking that there's a proactive

01:50:36.320 --> 01:50:38.936
letter boxing of the local community as

01:50:38.960 --> 01:50:41.960
an addition  to inform them of this

01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:42.816
whole

01:50:42.840 --> 01:50:45.840
process um I was going to mention one

01:50:46.080 --> 01:50:48.135
Dennis Street but we've resolved the

01:50:48.159 --> 01:50:51.159
concerns there um the other one is 1 to7

01:50:52.239 --> 01:50:55.016
Orbin parade at Kringula um the

01:50:55.040 --> 01:50:58.040
recommendation says R2 going it's

01:50:58.080 --> 01:51:00.296
recommending going from R2 operational

01:51:00.320 --> 01:51:03.175
staying R2 operational um with

01:51:03.199 --> 01:51:05.576
recommendation for potential subsequent

01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:08.600
sale um we move that the variation is

01:51:10.880 --> 01:51:13.880
sorry I move that um an amendment such

01:51:14.719 --> 01:51:17.719
that 1 to7 or parade goes from  R2

01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:21.960
operational to RE1 community um based on

01:51:24.159 --> 01:51:25.816
community saying that a lot of people

01:51:25.840 --> 01:51:28.536
play football in that area  flood

01:51:28.560 --> 01:51:31.560
affected and also with um

01:51:32.760 --> 01:51:35.655
 the threatened species the green and

01:51:35.679 --> 01:51:36.936
golden bell frog

01:51:36.960 --> 01:51:39.960
being a migration area thank you thank

01:51:40.080 --> 01:51:43.080
you council Hayes did you are we

01:51:43.679 --> 01:51:46.679
entering debate around the amendment 

01:51:46.719 --> 01:51:48.695
let's leave with the substantive at the

01:51:48.719 --> 01:51:51.175
moment I think council Martin I I wanted

01:51:51.199 --> 01:51:54.199
to talk to the amendment

01:51:54.679 --> 01:51:56.856
okay can we talk to You can't talk to

01:51:56.880 --> 01:51:59.496
the amendment yet can we

01:51:59.520 --> 01:52:01.816
second okay council Martin talk to the

01:52:01.840 --> 01:52:04.816
amendment thank you um Councelor

01:52:04.840 --> 01:52:07.840
Stewart you just rescended a motion to

01:52:08.560 --> 01:52:10.536
sell a property because we didn't listen

01:52:10.560 --> 01:52:11.695
to the

01:52:11.719 --> 01:52:14.719
community um as a counselor our role is

01:52:15.199 --> 01:52:17.896
to listen to the community and when

01:52:17.920 --> 01:52:19.816
issues like this come up I make sure I

01:52:19.840 --> 01:52:22.776
contact our local  organizations and

01:52:22.800 --> 01:52:25.496
community groups to get their opinion so

01:52:25.520 --> 01:52:28.215
what you're trying to do now is put your

01:52:28.239 --> 01:52:30.536
opinion on the community without the

01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:32.536
community having a say and I think that

01:52:32.560 --> 01:52:35.095
is unfair we should put it out to the

01:52:35.119 --> 01:52:37.095
community we should listen to the

01:52:37.119 --> 01:52:39.976
community we should take their feedback

01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:42.456
and come up with a proper report we

01:52:42.480 --> 01:52:43.896
shouldn't be sitting here on the floor

01:52:43.920 --> 01:52:46.920
of the council making decisions about a

01:52:47.040 --> 01:52:49.896
public exhibition that you just talked

01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:51.776
about before we we weren't doing

01:52:51.800 --> 01:52:54.296
consultation this is a public exhibition

01:52:54.320 --> 01:52:57.320
for consultation to the community and I

01:52:57.520 --> 01:53:00.135
wish you could respect the community and

01:53:00.159 --> 01:53:02.936
say "Okay let me listen to the community

01:53:02.960 --> 01:53:05.256
let's see what comes back." And at the

01:53:05.280 --> 01:53:07.896
debate of when that that study or the

01:53:07.920 --> 01:53:09.976
review of the council land you can put

01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:11.496
your point of view if you've got

01:53:11.520 --> 01:53:13.816
community support but I just think it's

01:53:13.840 --> 01:53:16.135
unfair to say to the community "No I

01:53:16.159 --> 01:53:17.976
don't want to listen to you yet i want

01:53:18.000 --> 01:53:19.536
to tell you what I

01:53:19.560 --> 01:53:22.560
want." So I can't support the amendment

01:53:23.280 --> 01:53:25.496
thank you councelor Hayes did you want

01:53:25.520 --> 01:53:28.520
to speak now um thanks Lord Mayor just

01:53:28.719 --> 01:53:30.376
similar um I'll be supporting the

01:53:30.400 --> 01:53:33.400
original motion not the amendment um I

01:53:33.760 --> 01:53:36.760
think when we look at it it's 250 plus

01:53:37.119 --> 01:53:38.615
parcels of land have gone from

01:53:38.639 --> 01:53:41.536
residential to community land or similar

01:53:41.560 --> 01:53:44.560
um it's identified areas that were zoned

01:53:45.440 --> 01:53:47.175
for something that upon further

01:53:47.199 --> 01:53:49.496
inspection realized they're not suitable

01:53:49.520 --> 01:53:51.256
so we're going to do the right thing and

01:53:51.280 --> 01:53:53.496
I think it was sorry if my maths is out

01:53:53.520 --> 01:53:56.296
the numbers were there 14

01:53:56.320 --> 01:53:57.896
um areas zoned to residential

01:53:57.920 --> 01:53:59.336
operational land so it came the other

01:53:59.360 --> 01:54:01.575
way it might have been a bit a bit more

01:54:01.599 --> 01:54:03.655
so out of all these blocks of land we're

01:54:03.679 --> 01:54:05.655
getting very few that we've identified

01:54:05.679 --> 01:54:08.679
as residential land that we can sell um

01:54:09.199 --> 01:54:12.135
for the purposes again of housing which

01:54:12.159 --> 01:54:14.376
I will not stop talking about so we've

01:54:14.400 --> 01:54:17.400
got a case of 250 plus more parks open

01:54:18.239 --> 01:54:20.456
spaces vacant blocks that are going to

01:54:20.480 --> 01:54:23.256
be settled that way potentially after

01:54:23.280 --> 01:54:26.135
all this process with very few um

01:54:26.159 --> 01:54:29.159
becoming places for homes um to to start

01:54:31.440 --> 01:54:34.376
trying to reduce that even further I I

01:54:34.400 --> 01:54:37.400
just can't stand for it over multiple

01:54:37.679 --> 01:54:40.296
meetings we've had blocks of land not be

01:54:40.320 --> 01:54:41.896
suitable because there's been a tree on

01:54:41.920 --> 01:54:44.920
it it's in an established suburb there's

01:54:45.119 --> 01:54:46.736
a park bench on

01:54:46.760 --> 01:54:49.760
it how many blocks of land are we going

01:54:50.719 --> 01:54:53.575
to say no to selling because of some

01:54:53.599 --> 01:54:56.599
silly reason when we need homes there

01:54:57.040 --> 01:54:58.456
are genuine reasons for this

01:54:58.480 --> 01:54:59.896
reasonzoning to community land and the

01:54:59.920 --> 01:55:01.736
like due to flooding and the like we

01:55:01.760 --> 01:55:04.655
don't need more for no

01:55:04.679 --> 01:55:07.679
reason than because there's an existing

01:55:07.760 --> 01:55:10.760
tree or something else already on it in

01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:13.496
again in the middle of a housing crisis

01:55:13.520 --> 01:55:14.936
i'm going to sound like a broken record

01:55:14.960 --> 01:55:17.095
all the time because this keeps coming

01:55:17.119 --> 01:55:20.119
up and I will keep standing up to fight

01:55:20.560 --> 01:55:23.016
for more residential land for more homes

01:55:23.040 --> 01:55:26.040
for our community um to find excuses

01:55:27.800 --> 01:55:30.800
to I don't know what some counselors

01:55:31.679 --> 01:55:34.135
want in a block of land that would let

01:55:34.159 --> 01:55:37.095
them support it being turned into a home

01:55:37.119 --> 01:55:40.119
i can't figure out what criteria they

01:55:40.239 --> 01:55:42.376
need to do it because there's always a

01:55:42.400 --> 01:55:45.095
reason not to do it and I think the

01:55:45.119 --> 01:55:48.056
community is sick of it i think if they

01:55:48.080 --> 01:55:51.016
see what goes on at local councils when

01:55:51.040 --> 01:55:53.816
people block residential development at

01:55:53.840 --> 01:55:56.776
every chance they can um the community

01:55:56.800 --> 01:55:57.615
hates

01:55:57.639 --> 01:55:59.896
it they hate it because it's the wrong

01:55:59.920 --> 01:56:02.215
thing to do that's all I have to say on

01:56:02.239 --> 01:56:05.175
that thank you Councelor Campbell thank

01:56:05.199 --> 01:56:08.199
you Lord Mayor um I also am going to

01:56:09.119 --> 01:56:12.119
support the original motion not the

01:56:12.920 --> 01:56:15.920
amendment the NES Hall is in fact the

01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:19.456
National Emergency Services Hall in Port

01:56:19.480 --> 01:56:22.480
Kemla and many many years ago the first

01:56:23.760 --> 01:56:26.760
Port Kembla Boy Scouts negotiated with a

01:56:27.599 --> 01:56:30.536
young cadet from WollongongCouncil

01:56:30.560 --> 01:56:33.560
called Greg Doyle about taking on the

01:56:33.679 --> 01:56:36.215
lease of that particular facility and as

01:56:36.239 --> 01:56:38.536
the secretary at that time of the first

01:56:38.560 --> 01:56:41.336
Port Kimble Boy Scouts I had a range of

01:56:41.360 --> 01:56:43.336
issues about what council was trying to

01:56:43.360 --> 01:56:46.360
get away with asking me to take on this

01:56:46.440 --> 01:56:48.936
building what's big maintenance what's

01:56:48.960 --> 01:56:51.016
minor maintenance and what were they up

01:56:51.040 --> 01:56:54.040
to but so please it is the NES Hall not

01:56:55.360 --> 01:56:58.360
the NEZ Hall um again I support what

01:56:59.199 --> 01:57:01.016
councelor Martin and Councelor Hayes

01:57:01.040 --> 01:57:04.040
have had to say this time we've got now

01:57:04.320 --> 01:57:06.135
I'm a social scientist and we are

01:57:06.159 --> 01:57:08.056
renowned for being appalling at

01:57:08.080 --> 01:57:10.496
mathematics however I had an

01:57:10.520 --> 01:57:13.135
attempt

01:57:13.159 --> 01:57:16.159
174,283 square meters of land are going

01:57:16.880 --> 01:57:18.776
to public wreck or environmental

01:57:18.800 --> 01:57:21.215
management as opposed to

01:57:21.239 --> 01:57:23.416
9,941 square meters going back the other

01:57:23.440 --> 01:57:26.376
way but what I'm really excited to see

01:57:26.400 --> 01:57:29.095
is that the heritage fig tree in Lake

01:57:29.119 --> 01:57:32.119
Heights is finally having the

01:57:32.760 --> 01:57:35.016
opportunity for what the community has

01:57:35.040 --> 01:57:36.776
been asking for for as long as I can

01:57:36.800 --> 01:57:39.256
remember and so that's included in this

01:57:39.280 --> 01:57:42.135
report so you know there's a lot in

01:57:42.159 --> 01:57:44.695
there this is the time there's nothing

01:57:44.719 --> 01:57:46.496
that goes

01:57:46.520 --> 01:57:49.520
from community to operational without a

01:57:50.040 --> 01:57:53.040
statutory process for public

01:57:53.159 --> 01:57:55.496
participation and it's one that we need

01:57:55.520 --> 01:57:58.520
to let run its course thank you

01:58:01.199 --> 01:58:03.016
i'll chime in on it i'm an English

01:58:03.040 --> 01:58:04.615
history major so there's no way I'm

01:58:04.639 --> 01:58:07.175
going to put numbers in anything um but

01:58:07.199 --> 01:58:09.736
I am very pleased to see this work 

01:58:09.760 --> 01:58:11.655
come to council and and particularly

01:58:11.679 --> 01:58:14.215
that it was arising out of the Wulong um

01:58:14.239 --> 01:58:17.239
housing strategy back in 2023 as part of

01:58:17.679 --> 01:58:20.296
our aim to tackle the housing crisis 

01:58:20.320 --> 01:58:22.296
which we've discussed many times in this

01:58:22.320 --> 01:58:24.936
chamber and looking at how we can better

01:58:24.960 --> 01:58:27.960
use council assets to determine if there

01:58:28.080 --> 01:58:30.296
were parcels of land that could provide

01:58:30.320 --> 01:58:32.936
a better use for our community  which

01:58:32.960 --> 01:58:35.336
is very m much why I welcome this review

01:58:35.360 --> 01:58:37.816
of um council own land and we found a

01:58:37.840 --> 01:58:39.976
number of properties whose zonings do

01:58:40.000 --> 01:58:42.456
not align with their use  and this

01:58:42.480 --> 01:58:44.135
gives us the opportunity to correct

01:58:44.159 --> 01:58:46.695
these anomalies  correctly identify

01:58:46.719 --> 01:58:49.016
them and reclassify for public

01:58:49.040 --> 01:58:52.040
recreation or conservation as applicable

01:58:52.080 --> 01:58:54.456
um I thought it was great to see so many

01:58:54.480 --> 01:58:57.480
of the parks and flood plan areas  be

01:58:57.520 --> 01:58:59.976
identified and converted to public

01:59:00.000 --> 01:59:01.736
recreation i think that's a very

01:59:01.760 --> 01:59:03.655
important outcome of this 

01:59:03.679 --> 01:59:05.816
particularly the sites that have been 

01:59:05.840 --> 01:59:07.416
purchased through the voluntary purchase

01:59:07.440 --> 01:59:10.135
scheme  Mr mcbride has given me quite

01:59:10.159 --> 01:59:12.296
a lesson in  voluntary purchase

01:59:12.320 --> 01:59:14.856
schemes lately  and the fact that we

01:59:14.880 --> 01:59:17.175
cannot develop on scheme on land that's

01:59:17.199 --> 01:59:18.695
been purchased through that and that

01:59:18.719 --> 01:59:20.536
it's very important that they be kept

01:59:20.560 --> 01:59:22.135
vacant so that the water can flow

01:59:22.159 --> 01:59:24.296
through better and not impact  the

01:59:24.320 --> 01:59:26.296
neighbors and the community so it's a

01:59:26.320 --> 01:59:28.215
positive safety outcome thank you Mr

01:59:28.239 --> 01:59:31.239
mcbride um but also being able to 

01:59:32.639 --> 01:59:35.016
identify some of these sites for future

01:59:35.040 --> 01:59:38.040
housing  infield developments  as

01:59:38.159 --> 01:59:40.215
councelor Hayes has said we have to

01:59:40.239 --> 01:59:42.615
address this problem um while these

01:59:42.639 --> 01:59:45.336
infills may not be major sites they are

01:59:45.360 --> 01:59:48.360
homes for families  and that's why we

01:59:48.400 --> 01:59:50.376
want to make sure that our children and

01:59:50.400 --> 01:59:52.135
our grandchildren have the opportunity

01:59:52.159 --> 01:59:54.856
to live here in the region  this has

01:59:54.880 --> 01:59:57.016
been a mammoth task for staff which

01:59:57.040 --> 01:59:59.336
we're very appreciative of  certainly

01:59:59.360 --> 02:00:02.360
with detailed data on every site so I

02:00:02.719 --> 02:00:04.536
thank  the council staff for their

02:00:04.560 --> 02:00:06.856
diligence in this  and I want to

02:00:06.880 --> 02:00:08.695
particularly thank the general manager

02:00:08.719 --> 02:00:10.695
who made sure that this is going out on

02:00:10.719 --> 02:00:13.655
exhibition for an extended period um he

02:00:13.679 --> 02:00:15.256
and the team have discussed this and

02:00:15.280 --> 02:00:17.736
it's going out for six weeks  as well

02:00:17.760 --> 02:00:19.896
as having public hearings so there's

02:00:19.920 --> 02:00:21.976
ample opportunity for people in our

02:00:22.000 --> 02:00:24.135
community for those organizations that

02:00:24.159 --> 02:00:26.695
 have an interest in this space  to

02:00:26.719 --> 02:00:28.856
comment and I certainly encourage them

02:00:28.880 --> 02:00:31.736
to do so with no other lights on I'll

02:00:31.760 --> 02:00:33.496
call councelor Brown reply well look

02:00:33.520 --> 02:00:35.575
very briefly Lloyd Bear um thank you for

02:00:35.599 --> 02:00:38.215
everybody for entering the debate um I'm

02:00:38.239 --> 02:00:39.736
not going to support the amendment on

02:00:39.760 --> 02:00:41.175
the basis that I'm really going to have

02:00:41.199 --> 02:00:42.536
trouble digesting in the time I got

02:00:42.560 --> 02:00:44.296
available it may well be there's some

02:00:44.320 --> 02:00:46.296
valid points there but I think we

02:00:46.320 --> 02:00:48.215
understand that a lot better after a

02:00:48.239 --> 02:00:50.376
period of consultation  when it comes

02:00:50.400 --> 02:00:52.056
back to us if we find out something we

02:00:52.080 --> 02:00:53.976
didn't know at this stage and if those

02:00:54.000 --> 02:00:57.000
points are indeed valid we can 

02:00:57.119 --> 02:00:59.496
redress what we do here and knock some

02:00:59.520 --> 02:01:01.976
knock some zones out or we can put some

02:01:02.000 --> 02:01:03.336
things up if we think that we've gone

02:01:03.360 --> 02:01:06.056
the wrong way um there's the old saying

02:01:06.080 --> 02:01:08.376
that patriotism is the last refuge of

02:01:08.400 --> 02:01:10.536
the scoundrel the green and gold bell

02:01:10.560 --> 02:01:12.456
frog is the last refuge of the residents

02:01:12.480 --> 02:01:14.615
action group um they appear to be the

02:01:14.639 --> 02:01:17.175
most common rare frog in the galaxy um

02:01:17.199 --> 02:01:18.856
look I think there is some value to

02:01:18.880 --> 02:01:21.416
putting this out get the feedback um as

02:01:21.440 --> 02:01:23.575
I said the  there is a statutory

02:01:23.599 --> 02:01:25.896
process in this um people will be

02:01:25.920 --> 02:01:27.496
informed there are public meetings held

02:01:27.520 --> 02:01:29.976
for the reclass  we will find out a

02:01:30.000 --> 02:01:31.816
lot more about these pastures of land

02:01:31.840 --> 02:01:33.896
after we go through that process than

02:01:33.920 --> 02:01:36.920
what we know now thank you so I'll put

02:01:37.119 --> 02:01:40.119
the amendment  by voice  show of

02:01:40.159 --> 02:01:43.159
hands sorry  those for the

02:01:43.239 --> 02:01:45.575
amendment councelor Whitaker councelor

02:01:45.599 --> 02:01:47.736
Docker councelor Stewart those against

02:01:47.760 --> 02:01:50.296
the amendment councelor Hayes councelor

02:01:50.320 --> 02:01:52.215
Richard Martin councelor Quinn councelor

02:01:52.239 --> 02:01:54.135
Brown councelor Anne Martin councelor

02:01:54.159 --> 02:01:55.816
Campbell councelor Anthony councel

02:01:55.840 --> 02:01:57.976
Morris councelor Brown the motion is

02:01:58.000 --> 02:02:01.000
lost I then put the original

02:02:02.360 --> 02:02:05.360
motion all those in favor

02:02:05.840 --> 02:02:08.840
Everyone against I declare that carried

02:02:08.960 --> 02:02:11.655
thank you very much everyone we move to

02:02:11.679 --> 02:02:14.679
item nine councelor Quinn a seconder for

02:02:15.679 --> 02:02:18.615
that councelor Hayes council Quinn thank

02:02:18.639 --> 02:02:21.256
you very much Lord Mayor and um on what

02:02:21.280 --> 02:02:23.256
seems to be quite a a wonderful and

02:02:23.280 --> 02:02:24.936
challenging fun and exciting night for

02:02:24.960 --> 02:02:27.336
Wingong City Council um I wanted to take

02:02:27.360 --> 02:02:29.175
a brief moment just to talk to this

02:02:29.199 --> 02:02:32.199
particular item i um I was I was

02:02:32.639 --> 02:02:34.536
counseledled today by someone who who

02:02:34.560 --> 02:02:36.376
had been a part of the Aurora community

02:02:36.400 --> 02:02:38.695
for decades and was pointing out to me

02:02:38.719 --> 02:02:41.719
that the journey to get this um bus

02:02:43.159 --> 02:02:45.736
depot move from Marine Drive is

02:02:45.760 --> 02:02:47.496
something that probably began before I

02:02:47.520 --> 02:02:50.520
was born um if not close to it so I um I

02:02:52.159 --> 02:02:53.896
would I would I think it's really

02:02:53.920 --> 02:02:55.655
important that we all come together and

02:02:55.679 --> 02:02:57.816
just acknowledge the work of so many

02:02:57.840 --> 02:03:00.695
people so many different um stakeholder

02:03:00.719 --> 02:03:02.536
groups to make this particular um

02:03:02.560 --> 02:03:05.095
outcome possible that also creates a not

02:03:05.119 --> 02:03:07.816
only a um community benefit um by

02:03:07.840 --> 02:03:10.376
freeing up space um near one of our most

02:03:10.400 --> 02:03:13.400
popular beaches  but also um provides

02:03:13.840 --> 02:03:16.840
new facilities for drivers um in what is

02:03:16.960 --> 02:03:19.256
a growing  area of importance for our

02:03:19.280 --> 02:03:22.280
city um visa v  connectivity and

02:03:23.400 --> 02:03:26.400
transport lord may the um the need for

02:03:26.719 --> 02:03:28.856
this particular service is growing um

02:03:28.880 --> 02:03:30.376
whether it's the new health precinct

02:03:30.400 --> 02:03:32.135
strategy that's coming online or our

02:03:32.159 --> 02:03:33.976
changes to our integrated transport

02:03:34.000 --> 02:03:35.416
network and what we're hoping to achieve

02:03:35.440 --> 02:03:37.655
in the future for our community this is

02:03:37.679 --> 02:03:39.736
the key to unlocking productivity and as

02:03:39.760 --> 02:03:41.416
councelor Hayes rightly pointed out

02:03:41.440 --> 02:03:44.440
tonight it's not simply um a a winner

02:03:45.679 --> 02:03:47.736
takes all with one particular policy or

02:03:47.760 --> 02:03:49.896
one particular process it is the little

02:03:49.920 --> 02:03:51.655
wins along the way that'll actually get

02:03:51.679 --> 02:03:53.496
us to the outcomes we're striving for

02:03:53.520 --> 02:03:55.095
and when it comes to a connected city

02:03:55.119 --> 02:03:57.175
this particular um effort by council

02:03:57.199 --> 02:03:58.856
staff and everyone else is a great

02:03:58.880 --> 02:04:00.536
outcome so I'd like to just acknowledge

02:04:00.560 --> 02:04:02.695
that and thank everyone involved council

02:04:02.719 --> 02:04:04.856
Brown um thank you Lord Mayor um I'm not

02:04:04.880 --> 02:04:06.056
going to be echoing some of the comments

02:04:06.080 --> 02:04:08.056
here but  this is a good outcome and

02:04:08.080 --> 02:04:10.056
it's at least 29 years in the making i

02:04:10.080 --> 02:04:11.336
don't know how old councelor Quinn is he

02:04:11.360 --> 02:04:13.816
can compare to himself um those with a

02:04:13.840 --> 02:04:15.896
long memory will know that before the

02:04:15.920 --> 02:04:17.976
bus depot was in Lang Park it was across

02:04:18.000 --> 02:04:20.376
the road the terminal  in what's now

02:04:20.400 --> 02:04:22.376
the Andrew Lysart Park the former

02:04:22.400 --> 02:04:24.695
cemetery indeed before that part of the

02:04:24.719 --> 02:04:25.816
world was upgraded as part of the

02:04:25.840 --> 02:04:28.296
entertainment precinct um there's a

02:04:28.320 --> 02:04:29.896
saying around this place this building

02:04:29.920 --> 02:04:31.736
that the graves of Wollongongare full of

02:04:31.760 --> 02:04:33.496
people who have tried to find a solution

02:04:33.520 --> 02:04:35.456
and a better location to the

02:04:35.480 --> 02:04:38.480
buses um I hope the solution here suits

02:04:38.719 --> 02:04:41.095
all players or at least has got a  a

02:04:41.119 --> 02:04:43.016
measure of equality of dissatisfaction

02:04:43.040 --> 02:04:45.256
um I'll note that the Transport for New

02:04:45.280 --> 02:04:48.280
South Wales has at item 8 um the DCP

02:04:50.000 --> 02:04:52.175
chapter suggests we go harder in

02:04:52.199 --> 02:04:54.296
advantaging public transport over

02:04:54.320 --> 02:04:56.615
private cars especially near bus stops

02:04:56.639 --> 02:04:59.639
and in the three West land use items 

02:04:59.920 --> 02:05:02.456
they repeat their concerns for active

02:05:02.480 --> 02:05:05.016
and public transport um we should keep

02:05:05.040 --> 02:05:06.776
those comments on file should we decide

02:05:06.800 --> 02:05:09.135
to go on a bus crusade

02:05:09.159 --> 02:05:11.655
um I'll note that with this item the

02:05:11.679 --> 02:05:12.936
transport for New South Wales put their

02:05:12.960 --> 02:05:14.296
money where their mouth is they should

02:05:14.320 --> 02:05:16.215
be congratulated

02:05:16.239 --> 02:05:18.296
 normal service will be resumed of us

02:05:18.320 --> 02:05:20.536
giving this giving them regular wax but

02:05:20.560 --> 02:05:22.856
when they deserve it  credit is due

02:05:22.880 --> 02:05:25.496
and especially in this case

02:05:25.520 --> 02:05:26.336
thank

02:05:26.360 --> 02:05:29.360
you Rod reply council Quinn you good 

02:05:30.159 --> 02:05:31.655
with that I'll put the motion all those

02:05:31.679 --> 02:05:34.376
in favor against declare that carried

02:05:34.400 --> 02:05:37.400
thank you  we move to item 14 thank

02:05:38.400 --> 02:05:41.400
you Councelor Morris while he leaves the

02:05:49.880 --> 02:05:52.615
room thank you councelor Hayes moving

02:05:52.639 --> 02:05:55.639
that motion seconder councelor Quinn any

02:05:56.880 --> 02:05:59.416
debate on this council Stewart your

02:05:59.440 --> 02:06:02.440
lights on nope council Martin  thank

02:06:02.880 --> 02:06:05.615
you Lord i just want to say um some

02:06:05.639 --> 02:06:08.639
things are worth waiting for  this has

02:06:09.679 --> 02:06:11.575
taken some time and the reason it's

02:06:11.599 --> 02:06:14.536
taken some time is not because we've

02:06:14.560 --> 02:06:17.560
sort of wandered off into  La La Land

02:06:17.679 --> 02:06:20.679
it's because we we it had particular

02:06:21.080 --> 02:06:23.456
requirements that needed to be

02:06:23.480 --> 02:06:26.480
constructed as a sightspecific

02:06:26.760 --> 02:06:28.336
um

02:06:28.360 --> 02:06:31.360
response to a squib or as I refer to

02:06:32.960 --> 02:06:35.960
them a squid um so thank you to all

02:06:36.639 --> 02:06:38.536
those who worked on this and I look

02:06:38.560 --> 02:06:40.776
forward to it coming in place so we

02:06:40.800 --> 02:06:43.800
don't have to chase plastic bottles down

02:06:44.000 --> 02:06:47.000
Port Kemler Beach council Wig thank you

02:06:47.760 --> 02:06:50.536
um and I just wanted to acknowledge

02:06:50.560 --> 02:06:53.016
former councelor Blakey for proposing

02:06:53.040 --> 02:06:55.976
this um device in the budget i think I

02:06:56.000 --> 02:06:58.376
was one of the beach cleaners that 

02:06:58.400 --> 02:07:00.376
might have harassed her about it for a

02:07:00.400 --> 02:07:02.695
few years um so it's great that it's

02:07:02.719 --> 02:07:04.695
finally being installed and it's going

02:07:04.719 --> 02:07:07.496
to be a design that can be easily um

02:07:07.520 --> 02:07:09.336
emptied out and cleaned because if we

02:07:09.360 --> 02:07:11.095
can't clean these devices then there's

02:07:11.119 --> 02:07:12.456
no point having them they're just a

02:07:12.480 --> 02:07:15.256
waste of money so um yeah I'm excited to

02:07:15.280 --> 02:07:18.055
see how it works and to have updates um

02:07:18.079 --> 02:07:20.776
and I think yeah the community is going

02:07:20.800 --> 02:07:23.175
to be particularly glad because um

02:07:23.199 --> 02:07:24.816
spending a lot of time on Port

02:07:24.840 --> 02:07:27.840
Ke it does end up that there's syringes

02:07:28.239 --> 02:07:30.536
washed down that they these drains and

02:07:30.560 --> 02:07:32.135
that is a spot that they collect so I

02:07:32.159 --> 02:07:33.175
think it's going to be really great for

02:07:33.199 --> 02:07:36.055
public safety um so thank you to the

02:07:36.079 --> 02:07:38.456
staff who've been working on it

02:07:38.480 --> 02:07:39.896
thank you

02:07:39.920 --> 02:07:41.496
i'm assuming there's no right of reply

02:07:41.520 --> 02:07:44.296
there council Hayes very good thank you

02:07:44.320 --> 02:07:47.320
all those in favor against declare that

02:07:47.760 --> 02:07:50.215
carried thank you which brings us to

02:07:50.239 --> 02:07:53.239
item 17 where Deputy Lord May is going

02:07:53.440 --> 02:07:55.575
to take the chair councelor Morris can

02:07:55.599 --> 02:07:58.135
come back in and three of us will tag

02:07:58.159 --> 02:08:01.159
out

02:08:19.400 --> 02:08:22.400
okay save me some

02:08:28.840 --> 02:08:31.840
cheese all right

02:08:32.800 --> 02:08:34.856
all of those who have a conflict of

02:08:34.880 --> 02:08:37.880
interest have left the room so 

02:08:38.159 --> 02:08:41.159
councelor Whitaker thank you um do I

02:08:41.199 --> 02:08:44.199
have to I move it and you move it and

02:08:44.480 --> 02:08:47.480
councelor Dock has seconded it thank you

02:08:48.000 --> 02:08:50.536
Deputy Lair um our university sector has

02:08:50.560 --> 02:08:52.135
been one of the most impacted industries

02:08:52.159 --> 02:08:54.615
since the pandemic despite Australia

02:08:54.639 --> 02:08:56.456
being Australia's second largest export

02:08:56.480 --> 02:08:58.296
industry with thousands of jobs being

02:08:58.320 --> 02:09:00.135
under threat the then Morrison

02:09:00.159 --> 02:09:02.456
government failed to provide jobseker

02:09:02.480 --> 02:09:05.095
support for university staff a number of

02:09:05.119 --> 02:09:07.016
unfortunate financial decisions have

02:09:07.040 --> 02:09:09.175
further compounded this and our local

02:09:09.199 --> 02:09:10.695
university has found itself in an

02:09:10.719 --> 02:09:12.896
exceptionally difficult financial

02:09:12.920 --> 02:09:15.175
position the University of Wollongong is

02:09:15.199 --> 02:09:17.496
the heart of our city it's the second

02:09:17.520 --> 02:09:19.256
biggest local employer in Australia

02:09:19.280 --> 02:09:21.016
after Blue Scope with approximately

02:09:21.040 --> 02:09:24.040
3,000 regular employees we rely on it

02:09:24.239 --> 02:09:26.215
for research and innovation to educate

02:09:26.239 --> 02:09:28.376
our kids to provide good quality jobs

02:09:28.400 --> 02:09:30.536
for our citizens and it's just a

02:09:30.560 --> 02:09:32.456
beautiful place to be and something that

02:09:32.480 --> 02:09:33.856
we're really proud

02:09:33.880 --> 02:09:36.536
of without the staff in this public

02:09:36.560 --> 02:09:39.376
institution it's just a bunch of empty

02:09:39.400 --> 02:09:42.296
buildings what Wingong Council does and

02:09:42.320 --> 02:09:44.695
says matters and right now we have an

02:09:44.719 --> 02:09:46.615
opportunity to join with other voices to

02:09:46.639 --> 02:09:49.496
send a message to the uni executive that

02:09:49.520 --> 02:09:51.336
the service the uni provides and the

02:09:51.360 --> 02:09:53.256
people who do these jobs in our city

02:09:53.280 --> 02:09:55.095
matter to all of us and they shouldn't

02:09:55.119 --> 02:09:57.615
be expected to lose their jobs so

02:09:57.639 --> 02:10:00.376
easily staff are genuinely concerned

02:10:00.400 --> 02:10:02.536
that this proposed change and job cuts

02:10:02.560 --> 02:10:04.615
plan in its scale and scope could

02:10:04.639 --> 02:10:06.536
fundamentally compromise the ability of

02:10:06.560 --> 02:10:08.376
our local university to function in the

02:10:08.400 --> 02:10:11.256
years ahead this institution is too

02:10:11.280 --> 02:10:13.256
important for our city to let this

02:10:13.280 --> 02:10:15.296
happen without even saying a

02:10:15.320 --> 02:10:17.976
word the UNI is who we rely on for

02:10:18.000 --> 02:10:19.575
expert advice and research into

02:10:19.599 --> 02:10:21.336
difficult problems it provides good

02:10:21.360 --> 02:10:23.416
quality education for our kids jobs for

02:10:23.440 --> 02:10:25.336
our citizens and attracts thousands of

02:10:25.360 --> 02:10:27.655
overseas students every year who support

02:10:27.679 --> 02:10:29.695
other industries such as hospitality

02:10:29.719 --> 02:10:32.296
tourism and and they add to the vibrancy

02:10:32.320 --> 02:10:34.856
and culture of our city i urge

02:10:34.880 --> 02:10:36.376
councilors to support sending a letter

02:10:36.400 --> 02:10:38.215
to the university management asking that

02:10:38.239 --> 02:10:41.239
UIW executive including the new incoming

02:10:42.320 --> 02:10:44.536
vice chancellor Professor Max Louu to

02:10:44.560 --> 02:10:46.536
stop the cuts and instead come and talk

02:10:46.560 --> 02:10:48.695
to staff about alternate savings

02:10:48.719 --> 02:10:50.536
separate from more job cuts that will

02:10:50.560 --> 02:10:52.055
seriously affect our community and

02:10:52.079 --> 02:10:54.456
economy i acknowledge that there is a

02:10:54.480 --> 02:10:56.135
commitment from the federal members for

02:10:56.159 --> 02:10:58.376
Whittam and Cunningham to the NTEU to

02:10:58.400 --> 02:11:01.016
send similar representations and I think

02:11:01.040 --> 02:11:02.856
it's really important that council also

02:11:02.880 --> 02:11:04.376
strengthens their advocacy to

02:11:04.400 --> 02:11:07.016
demonstrate the value in the the value

02:11:07.040 --> 02:11:08.856
of the uni and its staff to our city

02:11:08.880 --> 02:11:10.615
this is an opportunity to call on the

02:11:10.639 --> 02:11:12.536
university don't cut the heart out of

02:11:12.560 --> 02:11:15.416
UAW

02:11:15.440 --> 02:11:18.296
councelor Morris oh sorry i've got to

02:11:18.320 --> 02:11:21.175
give councelor Docker um first because

02:11:21.199 --> 02:11:24.199
he seconded the motion tanya's left me

02:11:24.320 --> 02:11:26.936
the rule book right here  thank you

02:11:26.960 --> 02:11:29.655
Deputy Lord Mayor um I rise  to speak

02:11:29.679 --> 02:11:31.095
in support of this motion by councelor

02:11:31.119 --> 02:11:32.456
Whitaker and thank her for bringing it

02:11:32.480 --> 02:11:35.016
forward  the University of Wllingong

02:11:35.040 --> 02:11:37.896
is one of our city's greatest assets 

02:11:37.920 --> 02:11:39.976
not just  academically but

02:11:40.000 --> 02:11:42.215
economically  delivers billions of

02:11:42.239 --> 02:11:43.976
dollars in economic activity 

02:11:44.000 --> 02:11:45.496
accounting for anywhere between 10 to

02:11:45.520 --> 02:11:48.520
15% of our gross regional product um and

02:11:48.800 --> 02:11:50.936
as one of our city's largest employers

02:11:50.960 --> 02:11:53.575
it sustains thousands of jobs in both

02:11:53.599 --> 02:11:56.599
directly and indirectly um as a city of

02:11:56.719 --> 02:11:58.776
innovation as the public access speaker

02:11:58.800 --> 02:12:01.695
mentioned UAW anchors the innovation in

02:12:01.719 --> 02:12:04.215
Wulingong um at their innovation campus

02:12:04.239 --> 02:12:07.016
they've supported over 280 startup

02:12:07.040 --> 02:12:08.695
entrepreneurs

02:12:08.719 --> 02:12:11.175
um making Wulingong a serious player in

02:12:11.199 --> 02:12:14.199
research tech and advanced industries um

02:12:14.639 --> 02:12:17.256
but as the speaker said none of this is

02:12:17.280 --> 02:12:19.296
guaranteed um continued job cuts and

02:12:19.320 --> 02:12:21.416
underinvestment risk undermining the

02:12:21.440 --> 02:12:23.416
institution that underpins our regional

02:12:23.440 --> 02:12:25.575
prosperity  that's why it's critical

02:12:25.599 --> 02:12:27.816
for every major institution  including

02:12:27.840 --> 02:12:30.456
us um to step up and say something and I

02:12:30.480 --> 02:12:32.615
I think council touched on it we just

02:12:32.639 --> 02:12:34.615
had a federal election here i think it

02:12:34.639 --> 02:12:35.896
was hardly mentioned that one of the

02:12:35.920 --> 02:12:38.920
biggest institutions in our city um was

02:12:39.880 --> 02:12:42.296
bleeding um and just finally I guess

02:12:42.320 --> 02:12:43.816
just going to that global connection i

02:12:43.840 --> 02:12:45.976
was on campus recently um meeting up

02:12:46.000 --> 02:12:47.655
with some friends for a coffee i ran

02:12:47.679 --> 02:12:49.496
into a student who was taking some

02:12:49.520 --> 02:12:51.175
photos i got talking with them offered

02:12:51.199 --> 02:12:54.055
to take a photo um this student was from

02:12:54.079 --> 02:12:56.055
overseas she had loved Wollongongso much

02:12:56.079 --> 02:12:58.215
that she really wanted to bring her her

02:12:58.239 --> 02:13:00.296
family back to back to Wulingong to show

02:13:00.320 --> 02:13:03.320
what it has to offer um and when I asked

02:13:03.679 --> 02:13:06.376
her what she loved most about  UAW yes

02:13:06.400 --> 02:13:07.896
the campus but also the quality of

02:13:07.920 --> 02:13:09.416
teaching in the departments and that's

02:13:09.440 --> 02:13:11.095
what's being ripped away at the moment

02:13:11.119 --> 02:13:13.016
um and that just and just finally

02:13:13.040 --> 02:13:16.040
summing up on that um having university

02:13:16.320 --> 02:13:19.016
helps us keep the best minds in our city

02:13:19.040 --> 02:13:20.615
 whether they be working for councils

02:13:20.639 --> 02:13:22.615
for businesses or whatnot um it's

02:13:22.639 --> 02:13:24.296
incredibly important i thank councelor

02:13:24.320 --> 02:13:25.736
Whitaker for bringing it forward thank

02:13:25.760 --> 02:13:28.760
you thank you Councelor Morris  thank

02:13:29.280 --> 02:13:32.280
you  deputy lord Mayor  I'm rising

02:13:32.560 --> 02:13:35.560
to support this  letter um I'm not

02:13:36.159 --> 02:13:38.055
100% certain of how far it's going to

02:13:38.079 --> 02:13:40.456
achieve a letter from council with UW

02:13:40.480 --> 02:13:42.456
and their own but I believe

02:13:42.480 --> 02:13:44.055
sentimentally they need to know that we

02:13:44.079 --> 02:13:47.079
do support them  UW had

02:13:47.560 --> 02:13:50.456
a surprising moment for me when I was in

02:13:50.480 --> 02:13:52.376
the Middle East and saw a UW campus in

02:13:52.400 --> 02:13:55.400
Dubai and that actually made me feel

02:13:56.480 --> 02:13:58.936
very proud to know that the place that I

02:13:58.960 --> 02:14:00.615
came from fell across the world and see

02:14:00.639 --> 02:14:03.416
the big UW up there was fantastic and I

02:14:03.440 --> 02:14:05.416
got to relive that again a few years ago

02:14:05.440 --> 02:14:08.296
in Hong Kong  so knowing that we do

02:14:08.320 --> 02:14:11.320
have campuses that are engaging over 

02:14:11.599 --> 02:14:14.456
in interse  overseas  areas

02:14:14.480 --> 02:14:17.095
internationally that we  we should do

02:14:17.119 --> 02:14:18.695
everything we can to try and support and

02:14:18.719 --> 02:14:21.175
get it going as forward as possible  I

02:14:21.199 --> 02:14:23.736
would like to assume that our letter

02:14:23.760 --> 02:14:26.760
does add weight to what UW chooses to do

02:14:27.520 --> 02:14:28.936
 but I'm also a realist and

02:14:28.960 --> 02:14:30.376
understanding that they've got fiscal

02:14:30.400 --> 02:14:32.135
responsibility and and they have to

02:14:32.159 --> 02:14:34.856
manage that  I was  meeting today

02:14:34.880 --> 02:14:37.880
with  the man who instigated the

02:14:38.079 --> 02:14:41.079
entire green  infrastructure of UAW

02:14:41.199 --> 02:14:43.736
where I take my son  my son's walking

02:14:43.760 --> 02:14:45.896
looking at bow birds and hopefully one

02:14:45.920 --> 02:14:47.496
day in the future they are at UAW

02:14:47.520 --> 02:14:48.936
studying if they choose university

02:14:48.960 --> 02:14:51.095
lifestyle  so I'd love to see it

02:14:51.119 --> 02:14:54.119
thrive and continue to do so so I I do

02:14:54.480 --> 02:14:56.536
hope that this does go somewhere beyond

02:14:56.560 --> 02:14:59.560
words  um and I will be supporting it

02:14:59.599 --> 02:15:02.536
for that reason thank you councelor Anne

02:15:02.560 --> 02:15:05.560
Martin thank you acting um deputy lord

02:15:06.560 --> 02:15:09.256
Mayor sorry um I wasn't going to speak

02:15:09.280 --> 02:15:11.336
on this but then I remembered um I

02:15:11.360 --> 02:15:13.816
actually taught there for a while um

02:15:13.840 --> 02:15:16.840
many moons ago

02:15:17.040 --> 02:15:19.736
definitely not mathematics no um

02:15:19.760 --> 02:15:21.336
professional practice in the school of

02:15:21.360 --> 02:15:24.360
creative arts and um I had a lot of fun

02:15:24.719 --> 02:15:27.719
teaching our students how to apply for

02:15:27.760 --> 02:15:30.215
funding and the reality of being a

02:15:30.239 --> 02:15:33.239
creative in Australia i.e don't leave

02:15:33.440 --> 02:15:36.440
your day job um but one I'm I'm going to

02:15:38.880 --> 02:15:41.880
um talk about my ignorance here and that

02:15:41.960 --> 02:15:44.960
is it feels like and I'm speaking in

02:15:45.520 --> 02:15:47.976
favor of the motion it feels like that

02:15:48.000 --> 02:15:51.000
the the people who do the hard yards are

02:15:51.599 --> 02:15:54.599
the ones taking the

02:15:55.000 --> 02:15:57.976
pain whereas it seemed like there were a

02:15:58.000 --> 02:15:59.055
few golden

02:15:59.079 --> 02:16:02.079
handshakes um where people were moved on

02:16:03.440 --> 02:16:05.736
or went on when they saw the writing on

02:16:05.760 --> 02:16:08.760
the wall um and isn't that a shame

02:16:09.920 --> 02:16:12.920
funny that um and I also think at times

02:16:14.159 --> 02:16:17.095
the university has run hot and cold on

02:16:17.119 --> 02:16:19.135
their relationship with the

02:16:19.159 --> 02:16:22.159
city and here we are the city is lending

02:16:24.079 --> 02:16:26.695
its hand to the university and I'd like

02:16:26.719 --> 02:16:29.575
to think that the university when we are

02:16:29.599 --> 02:16:31.936
able to support the university and and

02:16:31.960 --> 02:16:34.960
acknowledge what we gain as a city by

02:16:35.040 --> 02:16:38.040
having a dynamic university also then

02:16:38.639 --> 02:16:40.936
thinks about how they can start running

02:16:40.960 --> 02:16:43.960
a bit hotter when it comes to Wongong i

02:16:46.160 --> 02:16:48.136
um spend a lot of time in Newcastle and

02:16:48.160 --> 02:16:50.455
I love the fact that there's campuses in

02:16:50.479 --> 02:16:53.479
the city very welld designigned campuses

02:16:53.599 --> 02:16:55.736
and I suspect that part of the problem

02:16:55.760 --> 02:16:58.056
was there was an awful lot of building

02:16:58.080 --> 02:17:00.375
work going on around the university at

02:17:00.399 --> 02:17:03.136
various points and maybe they've

02:17:03.160 --> 02:17:06.160
overreached now what would I know i

02:17:06.319 --> 02:17:08.375
actually don't know it i'm just looking

02:17:08.399 --> 02:17:10.695
at it thinking hang on what's going on

02:17:10.719 --> 02:17:13.655
here why is it that people who do the

02:17:13.679 --> 02:17:16.679
hard yards and who show up and mark

02:17:17.280 --> 02:17:20.280
infinite numbers of papers and who get

02:17:20.399 --> 02:17:23.096
up there and prepare their lectures and

02:17:23.120 --> 02:17:26.120
who try and keep some students awake um

02:17:28.000 --> 02:17:30.256
are actually the ones who are the most

02:17:30.280 --> 02:17:33.280
vulnerable um so I would like to s to

02:17:34.880 --> 02:17:37.880
say that by undermining the university

02:17:39.120 --> 02:17:42.120
you also leave the door open for other

02:17:42.960 --> 02:17:45.960
universities to sneak in the UN mccquary

02:17:47.399 --> 02:17:50.399
university I know has a very interesting

02:17:51.120 --> 02:17:53.736
film and digital media program i'm sure

02:17:53.760 --> 02:17:55.335
they'd love to have a present here

02:17:55.359 --> 02:17:58.359
presence here in Wong i also did quite a

02:17:58.719 --> 02:18:00.216
lot of work with the University of

02:18:00.240 --> 02:18:03.016
Western Sydney over a few years and they

02:18:03.040 --> 02:18:06.040
were particularly skilled at getting um

02:18:07.200 --> 02:18:09.816
funding for research they would probably

02:18:09.840 --> 02:18:11.535
love being in

02:18:11.559 --> 02:18:14.559
Wongolong and I think by undermining the

02:18:15.519 --> 02:18:17.615
sense of

02:18:17.639 --> 02:18:20.639
um respect to research and to options

02:18:22.240 --> 02:18:25.240
for study we also make ourselves

02:18:25.519 --> 02:18:28.519
vulnerable as a university to others

02:18:28.800 --> 02:18:31.655
going in and filling the gap so it's

02:18:31.679 --> 02:18:33.256
probably not something the university

02:18:33.280 --> 02:18:35.495
has thought about but I think it's worth

02:18:35.519 --> 02:18:37.655
thinking about given we invest in a

02:18:37.679 --> 02:18:39.655
campus in Liverpool why wouldn't

02:18:39.679 --> 02:18:41.976
Liverpool and Western Sydney invest in a

02:18:42.000 --> 02:18:45.000
campus in Wulong so I just throw that

02:18:45.280 --> 02:18:48.280
one in for fun and um I hope that the

02:18:49.040 --> 02:18:51.016
university is able to do some deep

02:18:51.040 --> 02:18:53.816
thinking about the need to support

02:18:53.840 --> 02:18:56.840
people who are dedicated to research and

02:18:57.200 --> 02:19:00.200
to sharing knowledge and then to when

02:19:00.719 --> 02:19:03.096
they're able to then commercialize that

02:19:03.120 --> 02:19:05.736
knowledge as we see with High Santa and

02:19:05.760 --> 02:19:08.760
other fantastic outcomes so thank you

02:19:09.200 --> 02:19:11.415
thank you Councelor Anthony yeah thank

02:19:11.439 --> 02:19:14.295
you Deputy Law May um I just um I guess

02:19:14.319 --> 02:19:16.136
I half-heartedly rise to support the

02:19:16.160 --> 02:19:19.160
motion um it is terrible that um people

02:19:19.439 --> 02:19:20.856
are potentially going to be losing their

02:19:20.880 --> 02:19:23.415
jobs but at the same time I don't really

02:19:23.439 --> 02:19:25.976
understand all the um problems that have

02:19:26.000 --> 02:19:29.000
led to the financial situation and um

02:19:29.280 --> 02:19:31.655
like I feel like we're writing we're

02:19:31.679 --> 02:19:33.016
going to be writing to them but then I

02:19:33.040 --> 02:19:34.936
don't feel we're offering them any sound

02:19:34.960 --> 02:19:37.256
advice on how to deal with the situation

02:19:37.280 --> 02:19:40.280
so um so I guess it's I support the

02:19:40.639 --> 02:19:42.455
motion in the sense that it's raising

02:19:42.479 --> 02:19:45.415
the issue um and and get and hopefully

02:19:45.439 --> 02:19:48.136
hopefully might result in um the federal

02:19:48.160 --> 02:19:49.576
government offering them some sort of

02:19:49.600 --> 02:19:51.896
bailout and some sort of um but apart

02:19:51.920 --> 02:19:54.920
from that um I'd hate to be um on the

02:19:55.040 --> 02:19:58.040
board of a a company or business or um

02:19:58.479 --> 02:20:00.056
or university and have other people

02:20:00.080 --> 02:20:01.736
writing to me telling me "Oh you better

02:20:01.760 --> 02:20:04.216
do a better job." I just feel that um

02:20:04.240 --> 02:20:06.136
it's like we're sending it's like we're

02:20:06.160 --> 02:20:09.160
trying to send the um the management to

02:20:09.200 --> 02:20:10.536
the principal's office and telling them

02:20:10.560 --> 02:20:11.976
they're doing a bad job and I just feel

02:20:12.000 --> 02:20:14.696
that that's that's unfortunate because I

02:20:14.720 --> 02:20:16.375
don't know what's caused the situation

02:20:16.399 --> 02:20:18.536
that's led to this yeah that's just my

02:20:18.560 --> 02:20:19.976
only concern about the motion yeah

02:20:20.000 --> 02:20:23.000
thanks thank you Councelor Brown um

02:20:23.120 --> 02:20:25.016
thank you Deputy Lord Mayor i'm happy to

02:20:25.040 --> 02:20:27.736
support this motion um I won't go

02:20:27.760 --> 02:20:29.576
through a lot of debate tonight people

02:20:29.600 --> 02:20:31.176
have illustrated their own personal

02:20:31.200 --> 02:20:33.976
relationships with the subject matter um

02:20:34.000 --> 02:20:35.096
if I started doing that with the

02:20:35.120 --> 02:20:37.415
university would be here to midnight um

02:20:37.439 --> 02:20:39.335
in one of my past lives I actually

02:20:39.359 --> 02:20:41.176
served as a on the council of the

02:20:41.200 --> 02:20:42.616
University of Wong so I was actually on

02:20:42.640 --> 02:20:45.016
the board if you wish um they won't be

02:20:45.040 --> 02:20:47.335
scared by this motion i'm sure they are

02:20:47.359 --> 02:20:50.359
happy to know that there are links

02:20:50.479 --> 02:20:53.479
between university and and and council

02:20:53.680 --> 02:20:55.096
indeed there used to be a town and gown

02:20:55.120 --> 02:20:56.375
cricket match i think the the cricket

02:20:56.399 --> 02:20:57.656
bat's still in Lord Mayor's office

02:20:57.680 --> 02:20:59.576
anyway um but we are certainly are

02:20:59.600 --> 02:21:00.776
partners at the university i think it's

02:21:00.800 --> 02:21:03.656
appropriate for us to  to to make some

02:21:03.680 --> 02:21:05.976
comment um you know we partner in the

02:21:06.000 --> 02:21:07.256
green bus and other funings for all the

02:21:07.280 --> 02:21:09.256
right initiatives through the place um

02:21:09.280 --> 02:21:10.776
the real issue here is that the higher

02:21:10.800 --> 02:21:12.375
education funding in this country is a

02:21:12.399 --> 02:21:15.399
mess  has been for some time um people

02:21:16.000 --> 02:21:17.896
in this room as the gall gallery or

02:21:17.920 --> 02:21:19.496
otherwise will know some of the horror

02:21:19.520 --> 02:21:21.496
stories about um the public universities

02:21:21.520 --> 02:21:23.656
not being able to get  co funding but

02:21:23.680 --> 02:21:26.295
bond university could um and indeed the

02:21:26.319 --> 02:21:28.375
whole structure and corporatization of

02:21:28.399 --> 02:21:30.295
universities has done them no good i'm

02:21:30.319 --> 02:21:31.496
sure the people sitting on the board of

02:21:31.520 --> 02:21:33.816
the council of the university  would

02:21:33.840 --> 02:21:35.415
love to have more money in their coffers

02:21:35.439 --> 02:21:36.936
would love to have a sustainable funding

02:21:36.960 --> 02:21:39.016
model and I'm sure that if they had a

02:21:39.040 --> 02:21:40.776
way they could keep all their staff

02:21:40.800 --> 02:21:41.976
doing all the things they're doing at

02:21:42.000 --> 02:21:44.415
that place um it's a great

02:21:44.439 --> 02:21:46.856
institution the only drawback has got no

02:21:46.880 --> 02:21:48.056
idea how they managed to find a way to

02:21:48.080 --> 02:21:49.176
give me a bachelor of science but

02:21:49.200 --> 02:21:51.016
somehow I slipped through the cracks but

02:21:51.040 --> 02:21:53.896
so I'm happy to support this thank you

02:21:53.920 --> 02:21:55.736
there being no further speakers I'll put

02:21:55.760 --> 02:21:57.536
the motion all those in

02:21:57.560 --> 02:22:00.375
favor against declare it carried

02:22:00.399 --> 02:22:03.399
unanimously by all those in the room um

02:22:04.399 --> 02:22:06.616
that brings us to the end of our agenda

02:22:06.640 --> 02:22:08.776
for tonight's meeting thank you everyone

02:22:08.800 --> 02:22:11.096
thank you staff thank you those people

02:22:11.120 --> 02:22:13.856
who lasted the entire meeting in the

02:22:13.880 --> 02:22:16.295
gallery and  declare the meeting

02:22:16.319 --> 02:22:19.319
closed