WEBVTT 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:03.240 good evening all persons participating 00:00:03.280 --> 00:00:05.416 in this council meeting are advised that 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:08.296 the meeting is being broadcast live via 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:10.376 the internet in order to enhance public 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:13.400 access to the deliberations of council 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:15.096 The recording of the meeting will be 00:00:15.120 --> 00:00:17.576 government information held by council 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:19.015 in accordance with the government 00:00:19.039 --> 00:00:22.039 information public access act 2009 00:00:22.720 --> 00:00:24.856 Council accepts no responsibility for 00:00:24.880 --> 00:00:27.335 defamatory discriminatory or offensive 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:29.896 statements made by any person during the 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:31.896 meeting which may be broadcast to the 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:33.656 internet or held by council as 00:00:33.680 --> 00:00:34.656 government 00:00:34.680 --> 00:00:37.096 information Further all persons are 00:00:37.120 --> 00:00:38.855 reminded that the permission of council 00:00:38.879 --> 00:00:41.416 is required prior to any audio or visual 00:00:41.440 --> 00:00:43.695 recordings being made during a council 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:46.215 meeting Permission should be sought in 00:00:46.239 --> 00:00:48.616 writing prior to the council meeting 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:51.640 through the office of the Lord Mayor 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:55.736 Good evening everyone and welcome to the 00:00:55.760 --> 00:00:57.816 council meeting tonight can I also 00:00:57.840 --> 00:00:59.496 acknowledge former councilors George 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:01.416 Takus and Kath Blakey who are joining us 00:01:01.440 --> 00:01:03.576 this evening and I'll begin by 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:05.495 acknowledging the traditional custodians 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:07.736 of the land seas and skies across the 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:10.216 areas that we operate I acknowledge 00:01:10.240 --> 00:01:12.135 Elders who are resting in the dreaming 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:14.056 the Elders of today and the Elders of 00:01:14.080 --> 00:01:16.296 the future who continue to care and 00:01:16.320 --> 00:01:18.536 protect Dharawal country and the Wadi Wadi nation 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:21.560 the civic prayer please stand 00:01:24.360 --> 00:01:27.360 Almighty God we who are gathered 00:01:27.439 --> 00:01:29.496 together in council pledge ourselves to 00:01:29.520 --> 00:01:31.496 work in harmony for the welfare and 00:01:31.520 --> 00:01:33.976 development of our City guide us we pray 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:36.455 in our deliberations help us to be fair 00:01:36.479 --> 00:01:38.856 in our judgment and wise in our actions 00:01:38.880 --> 00:01:40.616 so that prosperity and happiness shall 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:43.135 be the lot of our people 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:45.616 Amen 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:48.640 any apologies or applications for leave 00:01:49.119 --> 00:01:51.016 thank you Lord Mayor can I move apologies 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:52.616 and leave absence for councelor Thomas 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:55.640 Quinn thank you Second councelor Campbell 00:01:56.479 --> 00:01:59.415 all those in favor against declare that 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:02.135 carried thank you 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:03.656 Confirmation of the minutes of the 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:05.656 ordinary meeting Councilor Brown Lord Mayor 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:06.936 I move that the minutes of the ordinary 00:02:06.960 --> 00:02:08.375 meeting of 7 April be accepted as sure 00:02:08.399 --> 00:02:10.375 and accurate and seconded by councelor 00:02:10.399 --> 00:02:13.399 Docker thank you all those in favor 00:02:13.440 --> 00:02:16.336 against declare that 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:19.360 carried conflicts of 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:23.599 interest Councelor Martin and Martin 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:30.295 thank you Lord Mayor 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:32.016 thank you I have 00:02:32.040 --> 00:02:35.040 a non pecuniary 00:02:35.160 --> 00:02:37.575 non-significant conflict of interest in 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:40.599 items two and three in so far as they 00:02:41.519 --> 00:02:43.575 are eventually 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:46.599 likely to end up at the department of 00:02:47.640 --> 00:02:50.256 planning infra housing and 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:53.280 infrastructure I work for said 00:02:53.720 --> 00:02:56.720 organization however I no longer work in 00:02:57.519 --> 00:02:59.336 anything that looks like the southern 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:02.360 region I look after eight councils in 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:04.776 Western New South Wales I will stay in 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:07.800 the room for debate thank you thank you 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:11.159 Councelor Campbell Yes Lord Mayor thank 00:03:11.200 --> 00:03:13.776 you I will be declaring a 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:16.776 non-significant non-pecuniary potential 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:19.800 perceived conflict in the notice of 00:03:19.920 --> 00:03:22.920 motion item 17 I will still move that 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:26.376 notice and as part of speaking to it 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:29.056 will explain my non-significant 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:31.176 non-pecuniary potential perceived 00:03:31.200 --> 00:03:34.200 conflict of interest as to why it's not 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:37.176 thank you councelor Whitaker thanks Lord 00:03:37.200 --> 00:03:39.256 Mayor I've got a non significant 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:41.575 non-pecuniary conflict of interest to 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:43.495 item B I was a candidate in the federal 00:03:43.519 --> 00:03:45.495 election I'm going to stay in the room 00:03:45.519 --> 00:03:46.575 but I won't 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:48.656 participate 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:51.680 thanks thank you petitions and 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:55.080 presentations 00:03:55.519 --> 00:03:58.456 Councelor Anthony yes I have here a 00:03:58.480 --> 00:04:01.480 petition of 310 residents who are 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:06.056 requesting the extension of the 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:08.855 continental pool opening hours to 6pm 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:11.536 during the winter seasons there's 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:14.560 210 signatures and 100 plus online 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:18.680 signatures collected as well 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:21.720 thank you I'm sorry I also have a 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:24.936 petition from the members of Beaton Park 00:04:24.960 --> 00:04:27.096 strongly opposing any takeover of the 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:30.120 Ted Tobin Hall there are about 300 00:04:30.400 --> 00:04:33.256 signatures on here and I just want to 00:04:33.280 --> 00:04:35.576 say I'm very happy to present this 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:37.735 petition on behalf of the users of 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:40.216 Beaton Park and take the opportunity 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:42.936 to assure them that there are no changes 00:04:42.960 --> 00:04:44.776 planned for the use and hire of current 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:47.016 Beaton park facilities including the 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:49.895 Ted Tobin Hall we are reviewing the 00:04:49.919 --> 00:04:52.615 master plan which was adopted in 2018 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:54.776 for the entire precinct to ensure it is 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:57.175 still meeting the needs of our community 00:04:57.199 --> 00:04:59.016 including looking at utilization and 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:02.040 demand for courts we certainly as we 00:05:02.400 --> 00:05:04.856 can all attest have seen an increase in 00:05:04.880 --> 00:05:07.096 sporting petition participation across 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:09.735 many codes and as a council we need 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:11.015 to be certain that we're still 00:05:11.039 --> 00:05:13.656 delivering what our community wants 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:16.216 and needs now into the future So I'm 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:18.336 happy to table that 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:21.360 petition I'll give that one to Tony 00:05:21.880 --> 00:05:24.880 too no other petitions or 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:27.256 presentations will we move on to the 00:05:27.280 --> 00:05:30.280 public access forum and I invite 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:35.000 Rachel White to address the 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:45.256 meeting thank you Lord Mayor and good 00:05:45.280 --> 00:05:48.280 evening everyone like others I begin by 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:51.656 paying my respects to elders past 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:54.056 present and emerging acknowledging that 00:05:54.080 --> 00:05:57.080 we here tonight are on unseated Dharawal 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:00.560 land my name is Rachel White I'm a local 00:06:01.039 --> 00:06:03.256 resident homeowner and I was born and 00:06:03.280 --> 00:06:06.096 educated here in 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:08.936 Wollongong I am speaking here on 00:06:08.960 --> 00:06:11.895 behalf of Electrify Illawara we're a 00:06:11.919 --> 00:06:14.615 community organization that is focused 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:17.639 on working collaboratively with 00:06:18.400 --> 00:06:21.400 council and with many others to shift to 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:24.856 all electric households and businesses 00:06:24.880 --> 00:06:27.880 across our region so tonight I'm 00:06:27.960 --> 00:06:30.960 speaking in support of the motion in 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:33.576 support of the agenda item that council 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:36.600 adopt chapter 2A of the development 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:40.120 control plan following public exhibition 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:42.856 It's much clearer and it sustainability 00:06:42.880 --> 00:06:45.880 focus is much stronger but there is a 00:06:46.960 --> 00:06:49.960 but and that is that we are urging this 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:54.015 council to mandate all electric new 00:06:54.039 --> 00:06:57.039 developments and to do so as soon as 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:00.376 possible as you've heard tonight there 00:07:00.400 --> 00:07:03.400 is strong community support for this you 00:07:03.520 --> 00:07:05.416 may not have seen the rally but we hope 00:07:05.440 --> 00:07:07.816 that you heard it it was colorful it was 00:07:07.840 --> 00:07:10.615 vibrant it was full of diverse voices 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:13.336 from our community many of those voices 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:15.536 have stayed with us in the gallery 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:18.560 tonight I'd also remind council that 96% 00:07:19.919 --> 00:07:22.536 of the public submissions you received 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:25.560 52 out of 54 sought 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:28.656 all electric new 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:31.256 developments of course they did this is 00:07:31.280 --> 00:07:34.280 supported by very strong health and 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:37.976 socioeconomic evidence a lot of that 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:39.735 evidence was presented in our submission 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:42.455 so I won't repeat but what I will say is 00:07:42.479 --> 00:07:45.479 that evidence keeps on acculating even 00:07:45.599 --> 00:07:47.816 since the public ex exhibition period 00:07:47.840 --> 00:07:49.895 closed we've had a Senate Federal 00:07:49.919 --> 00:07:52.615 Committee report demonstrating the 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:55.416 household benefits of electrifying we've 00:07:55.440 --> 00:07:58.440 also had Rewiring Australia put out 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:00.615 what's called an electrification tipping 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:02.855 point report that showed that every 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:05.879 single decision to install and use an 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:08.376 electric appliance saves money in your 00:08:08.400 --> 00:08:10.855 home so for example using a reverse 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:12.696 cycle air conditioner instead of gas 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:14.895 heating saves on average 00:08:14.919 --> 00:08:17.919 $530 in bills per year now there's 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:21.496 strong health evidence also supporting 00:08:21.520 --> 00:08:24.520 our call you've heard from Dr Ivers last 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:26.295 December and you'll hear from my 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:28.295 colleague from health healthy cities 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:30.175 Australia 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:33.199 tonight I'd also like to highlight what 00:08:33.599 --> 00:08:35.976 you already know which is that there are 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:37.976 already other councils that have moved 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:40.135 in this direction Five councils in New 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:42.296 South Wales they've taken this step 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:44.536 and they've done so without legal appeal 00:08:44.560 --> 00:08:47.560 or ongoing controversy another nine 00:08:47.760 --> 00:08:49.896 councils are actively considering this 00:08:49.920 --> 00:08:52.375 issue these aren't just metropolitan 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:55.399 Sydney councils anymore we're talking 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:58.216 Queanbeyan we're talking Wagga Wagga we're 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:00.935 talking the Blue Mountains so if 00:09:00.959 --> 00:09:03.255 Wollongong Council takes this step you'd 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:06.279 be in extremely good company Now some 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:10.279 may argue that market forces should 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:13.320 really be what should be relied upon but 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:16.360 I say that the cost of inaction and the 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:18.776 cost of maintaining the status quo is 00:09:18.800 --> 00:09:21.255 going to be borne longerterm by local 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:24.056 residents and local businesses they're 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:26.456 the ones that are going to have dual gas 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:29.416 and electricity supply charges they'll 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:31.815 also have to pay for gas 00:09:31.839 --> 00:09:33.056 disconnection or 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:35.255 retrofitting now I've also heard the 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:37.976 council discussion about choice we also 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:41.000 support education awareness and choice 00:09:41.040 --> 00:09:44.040 but equity is also so important not 00:09:44.880 --> 00:09:46.776 everyone has the choice where they live 00:09:46.800 --> 00:09:49.800 or where they work It's just not a fact 00:09:49.920 --> 00:09:52.696 for everyone It's for those who are 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:55.720 privileged so we want to highlight that 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:59.080 for example 30% of Australians rent and 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:01.176 they have limited ability to 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:03.096 influence household electrification 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:05.736 decisions children with respiratory 00:10:05.760 --> 00:10:07.495 illnesses they don't choose to grow up 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:10.056 in homes with gas so what we're saying 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:13.080 is that we want a cleaner safer 00:10:14.040 --> 00:10:17.040 healthier set of residents In conclusion 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:20.456 I would like to impress upon council 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:23.016 the importance of acting on this soon and 00:10:23.040 --> 00:10:25.736 fast tracking consideration of this issue 00:10:25.760 --> 00:10:28.536 The sooner that we mandate all electric 00:10:28.560 --> 00:10:30.776 new developments the sooner we unlock 00:10:30.800 --> 00:10:33.296 the benefits for all of Wollongong 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:36.320 citizens future as well as current as 00:10:36.640 --> 00:10:38.216 well as our natural environment thank 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:40.536 you just wait there a moment Miss White 00:10:40.560 --> 00:10:42.096 are there any 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:45.120 questions no thank you very much thank 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:48.440 you councel I now invite Alexander Brown 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:51.480 from Healthy Cities Australia 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:00.856 thank you Lord Mayor good evening Lord 00:11:00.880 --> 00:11:02.776 Mayor counselors staff and members of 00:11:02.800 --> 00:11:05.016 the public I too would like to begin by 00:11:05.040 --> 00:11:06.536 acknowledging the traditional owners the 00:11:06.560 --> 00:11:09.336 Dharawal and Wadi Wadi peoples I'm here 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:11.176 today to address council on an important 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:13.656 public health issue one I believe will 00:11:13.680 --> 00:11:15.336 become to understood as the smoke-free 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:17.976 environments issue of our time 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:19.736 I'd therefore like to begin by 00:11:19.760 --> 00:11:21.896 recognizing that we have still not 00:11:21.920 --> 00:11:24.616 closed the gap on health equity with 00:11:24.640 --> 00:11:26.016 indigenous 00:11:26.040 --> 00:11:28.696 Australians I'm here today representing 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:30.776 Healthy Cities Australia We're a health 00:11:30.800 --> 00:11:32.296 promotion charity that's been working to 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:34.296 improve all health outcomes for all 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:35.776 people since 00:11:35.800 --> 00:11:38.296 1987 Our asthma prevention program 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:40.216 Breathe Better Illawarra is working to 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:42.216 improve the lives of people with asthma 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:44.935 a condition experienced by 11.2% of 00:11:44.959 --> 00:11:47.136 Australians 00:11:47.160 --> 00:11:49.176 significantly Aboriginal and 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:51.016 Torris Strait Islander people are 1.6 00:11:51.040 --> 00:11:53.576 times more likely to have asthma than 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:56.296 non-indigenous Australians this stark 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.216 health inequity reflects the complex and 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:00.656 ongoing legacies of colonization and 00:12:00.680 --> 00:12:02.856 dispossession But there is one simple 00:12:02.880 --> 00:12:04.935 step council can take to improve the 00:12:04.959 --> 00:12:07.375 health of Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:10.399 children living in the Wollongong LGA 00:12:11.040 --> 00:12:12.696 The revisions to chapter A2 of the 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:15.016 Wollongong DCP represent an important 00:12:15.040 --> 00:12:16.456 step towards a healthier built 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:19.016 environment in our city Healthy Cities 00:12:19.040 --> 00:12:20.776 Australia strongly supports the 00:12:20.800 --> 00:12:22.456 principles of ecologically sustainable 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:24.375 development that have been incorporated 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:27.399 into this revised chapter As pioneers of 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:29.495 the healthy cities movement globally we 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:31.136 know that a health in all policies 00:12:31.160 --> 00:12:34.055 approach as exemple an approach 00:12:34.079 --> 00:12:35.976 exemplified by healthy urban 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:37.896 planning is one of the most effective 00:12:37.920 --> 00:12:39.976 and equable equitable ways to improve 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:43.000 health for all importantly the impact of 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:44.935 healthy urban planning can be felt 00:12:44.959 --> 00:12:47.495 across the board guaranteeing access to 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:49.176 health improvements regardless of 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:50.935 whether you're rich or poor aboriginal 00:12:50.959 --> 00:12:53.959 or non-abboriginal renter or home owner 00:12:54.560 --> 00:12:56.296 recent research has demonstrated that 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:58.055 exposure to gas stove emissions 00:12:58.079 --> 00:12:59.776 contributes as much as 00:12:59.800 --> 00:13:02.800 12.3% of the childhood asthma burden 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:05.656 Significantly the nitrogen dioxide that 00:13:05.680 --> 00:13:07.656 is produced when burning fossil gas 00:13:07.680 --> 00:13:09.896 sensitizes the lungs making them more 00:13:09.920 --> 00:13:11.576 likely to become allergic to other 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:13.336 allergens 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:15.336 When the draft revisions to chapter A2 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:18.216 came before council last year we were 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:20.136 very encouraged by it to see a 00:13:20.160 --> 00:13:21.656 recognition there of the importance of 00:13:21.680 --> 00:13:24.456 all electric homes in guaranteeing safe 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:27.416 clean air and a healthy environment 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:29.656 However we are concerned that at the 00:13:29.680 --> 00:13:31.176 moment the commitment to electrification 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.495 remains at the level of principle Our 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:35.336 submission asks that these principles be 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:37.096 accompanied by strong enforceable 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:38.696 controls that will enable council 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:40.776 officers to require developers to 00:13:40.800 --> 00:13:42.615 construct buildings that are in line 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:45.176 with the latest scientific research on 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:47.656 health and indoor air quality We 00:13:47.680 --> 00:13:49.736 appreciate the careful consideration 00:13:49.760 --> 00:13:51.495 council staff have given to our 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:53.815 submission and to the other 51 00:13:53.839 --> 00:13:55.495 submissions received asking for an 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:58.216 electrification mandate However given 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:00.216 the clarity of the scientific evidence 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:01.815 here and the strength of the legal 00:14:01.839 --> 00:14:04.216 advice and precedent from other councils 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:06.536 we urge electrification mandate adopted 00:14:06.560 --> 00:14:08.096 at the earliest possible 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:10.856 opportunity Olong City Council is a 00:14:10.880 --> 00:14:12.935 leading progressive municipality in New 00:14:12.959 --> 00:14:15.736 South Wales what we do here matters for 00:14:15.760 --> 00:14:17.815 the whole state in my correspondence 00:14:17.839 --> 00:14:19.976 with many councilors and staff I've 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:21.416 discussed a range of issues and 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:23.255 recognize there is a need for the state 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:25.896 government to act here however we must 00:14:25.920 --> 00:14:27.896 not allow the perfect to become the 00:14:27.920 --> 00:14:30.375 enemy of the good Wollongong's stance on 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:32.776 this question will lend strength to the 00:14:32.800 --> 00:14:35.175 stance taken by other councils and it 00:14:35.199 --> 00:14:37.896 will help in implementing evidence-based 00:14:37.920 --> 00:14:40.296 public policy It will show the much 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:42.576 needed leadership to the state 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:44.776 government enabling them to join 00:14:44.800 --> 00:14:47.416 Victoria and the ACT in recognizing that 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:49.976 the end of the fossil gas era is already 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:51.336 here 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:53.656 I urge you tonight to adopt a firm 00:14:53.680 --> 00:14:54.935 commitment to incorporate 00:14:54.959 --> 00:14:57.736 electrification mandates in the DCP at 00:14:57.760 --> 00:14:59.896 the earliest possible opportunity and 00:14:59.920 --> 00:15:02.296 lead the way to the promotion of self 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:04.696 safe air and health equity for the 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:07.016 people of Wollongong thank you thank you 00:15:07.040 --> 00:15:10.040 Mr Brown Any questions no thank you very 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:12.776 much 00:15:12.800 --> 00:15:13.896 Move the speakers be than thank their 00:15:13.920 --> 00:15:15.255 presentation They'll be invited to table 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:16.615 their notes Should they show wish thank 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:18.935 you seconded councilor Docker All those in 00:15:18.959 --> 00:15:21.615 favor against declare that carried thank 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:24.615 you Call of the agenda Councilor Brown 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:26.055 thank you Lord Mayor I move the staff 00:15:26.079 --> 00:15:29.079 recommendations for items 2 456 and then 00:15:30.160 --> 00:15:32.976 8 to 15 inclusive be adopted on block 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:36.000 456 then 8 to 15 8 to 15 00:15:39.920 --> 00:15:42.920 Council Stewart so can four and six be 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:45.255 taken out of that block and what was the 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:48.279 next list she said 8 to 15 inclusive 00:15:52.839 --> 00:15:55.296 yeah okay 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:58.320 oh sorry and also a question at 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:01.416 number 10 So take 10 out if that's 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:04.136 possible Yeah 00:16:04.160 --> 00:16:06.776 Okay 00:16:06.800 --> 00:16:09.800 All right So I'll repeat that Item two 00:16:11.040 --> 00:16:14.040 five 00:16:15.040 --> 00:16:18.040 eight and eight nine 11 12 13 14 15 00:16:20.880 --> 00:16:22.375 Okay 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:25.399 All right So I'll just make that clear 2 00:16:26.079 --> 00:16:29.079 5 8 9 11 to 15 Okay All those in favor aye 00:16:32.800 --> 00:16:35.576 against declare that carried thank you 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:38.456 Did I have a second of all that actually 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:41.480 well councelor Stewart had spoke to 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:44.296 it so we'll put her as the seconder Okay 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:45.136 thank you 00:16:45.160 --> 00:16:48.160 thank you Now we move to Lord Mayoral 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:52.120 minute I have circulated a minute on 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:56.360 the drug court issue I recently 00:16:57.839 --> 00:17:00.696 attended along with 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.576 councelor Quinn and Paul Scully 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:06.376 the member for Wollongong was there 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:09.256 initiated by the local legal fraternity 00:17:09.280 --> 00:17:11.015 regarding the call for a drug court to 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:13.175 be established in Wollongong 00:17:13.199 --> 00:17:14.935 understand that it is a recommendation 00:17:14.959 --> 00:17:17.959 of the 2024 New South Wales drug 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:20.295 smit that a drug court be established 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:23.319 in regional areas and Wollongong LGA 00:17:23.919 --> 00:17:26.919 was identified as a high demand area 00:17:27.760 --> 00:17:30.056 the Wollongong and district law society 00:17:30.080 --> 00:17:33.080 has commenced act actively advocating 00:17:33.280 --> 00:17:35.496 for a local drug drug court that 00:17:35.520 --> 00:17:37.976 would also service the Illawarra and South 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:39.895 Coast and I certainly support those 00:17:39.919 --> 00:17:42.919 efforts I have included in my 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:45.256 minute seeking the support of the Illawarra 00:17:45.280 --> 00:17:48.136 Shoalhaven joint organization as our 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:50.296 courts don't just service the Wollongong 00:17:50.320 --> 00:17:52.936 LGA but also would cover residents 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:54.775 from Kiama Shellharhour and sometimes 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:57.799 the Shoalhaven and this drug court it 00:17:58.320 --> 00:18:00.936 is proposed that it can recommend an 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:03.576 intense community-based rehabilitation 00:18:03.600 --> 00:18:06.296 program for eligible drug dependent 00:18:06.320 --> 00:18:08.535 offenders who would otherwise be 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:11.559 sentenced to jail terms So I I think 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:14.136 it's fairly well known that our region 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:17.160 has a high rate of drug offenses for 00:18:17.360 --> 00:18:19.655 possession across the gamut of 00:18:19.679 --> 00:18:22.376 narcotics and and illegal subst sub 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:24.456 substances and I'm not going to read the 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:27.480 long list but subsequently that also 00:18:27.760 --> 00:18:30.760 means an increase in related drug crimes 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:33.416 So I believe anything that breaks 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.440 that cycle of recidivism and helps 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:39.336 reitate rehabilitate people and keep 00:18:39.360 --> 00:18:41.736 them out of jail is certainly worth 00:18:41.760 --> 00:18:44.535 our support and I look forward to 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.416 your contribution thank you Councelor 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:50.440 Docker thank you Lord May I rise to 00:18:51.360 --> 00:18:53.496 speak in strong support of this Lord 00:18:53.520 --> 00:18:55.816 Marl minute and and thank thank the Lord 00:18:55.840 --> 00:18:58.376 Mayor for bringing it forward we know 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:00.696 that one in 20 Australians struggle with 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:03.336 drug addiction or substance abuse and 00:19:03.360 --> 00:19:04.775 as the Lord Mayor just rightly pointed 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:06.736 out Wooling Gong is absolutely no 00:19:06.760 --> 00:19:09.736 exception substance addiction is a 00:19:09.760 --> 00:19:11.176 public health issue and that's why I 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:13.336 wholeheartedly support this motion 00:19:13.360 --> 00:19:15.096 because it reflects the growing body of 00:19:15.120 --> 00:19:17.176 evidence and understanding that drug 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:19.096 addiction should be treated as a 00:19:19.120 --> 00:19:21.576 health issue not purely a criminal one 00:19:21.600 --> 00:19:24.456 drug courts embody this approach by 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:26.936 focusing on rehabilitation and recovery 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:29.816 rather than just punishment alone 00:19:29.840 --> 00:19:31.816 as noted in the minutes research from 00:19:31.840 --> 00:19:34.056 the National Drug and Alcohol Research 00:19:34.080 --> 00:19:36.136 Center shows that participants 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:38.376 diverted into drug court programs are 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:40.936 less likely to reaffend this means 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:42.936 fewer victims of crime safer communities 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:45.015 and better outcomes for those battling 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:47.496 addiction furthermore Professor Don 00:19:47.520 --> 00:19:50.520 Weatherburn who led the study also 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:52.296 confirmed that these programs deliver 00:19:52.320 --> 00:19:54.535 long-term savings to taxpayers by 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:56.775 reducing incarceration costs in 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:59.416 repeat offending this is a smart 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:00.856 policy It's compassionate It's 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:03.015 cost-effective and it's evidence-based 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:05.015 and I thank the Lord Mayor for 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:06.535 bringing it forward and has my full 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:09.559 support thank you Council Hayes thanks 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:11.336 Lord Mayor I just wanted to speak 00:20:11.360 --> 00:20:13.736 briefly in favor of this My first job 00:20:13.760 --> 00:20:15.895 out of uni after graduating was as an 00:20:15.919 --> 00:20:17.496 intern psychologist at the Genie 00:20:17.520 --> 00:20:19.015 Correctional Center so I got 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:21.976 firsthand knowledge of the impact of 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:24.696 of drug and alcohol abuse involved in 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:27.176 the criminal justice system what we 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:29.736 all know jails are there for for three 00:20:29.760 --> 00:20:32.760 reasons Protection from offenders 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:35.176 punishment of offenders but also 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:38.200 rehabilitation And as someone whose 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:40.936 job it was to address the criminogenic 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:43.816 needs to do the rehabilitation 00:20:43.840 --> 00:20:46.775 let me say that it is a fight that 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:48.696 we're not doing very well at especially 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:51.015 when it comes to drugs and alcohol 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:54.039 abuse and addiction asking people to 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:57.480 recover from that in the prison 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:00.936 system is just not a workable system So 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:02.616 a drug court that looks at an 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:05.640 alternative may from some people 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:07.895 may go "Well they should just be locked 00:21:07.919 --> 00:21:09.895 up forever That's just not what we do." 00:21:09.919 --> 00:21:12.376 If we want to stop people reoffending we 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:15.400 want people to be able to recover 00:21:15.600 --> 00:21:18.376 then the drug court is such an important 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:21.015 step forward So I fully support it 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:22.296 not just for what it'll do for the 00:21:22.320 --> 00:21:23.895 community but having seen firsthand that 00:21:23.919 --> 00:21:25.336 we've got to do this better in our 00:21:25.360 --> 00:21:26.856 criminal justice system and this is a 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:28.296 wonderful step forward So I applaud you 00:21:28.320 --> 00:21:31.015 for putting this forward thank you 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:33.416 No further speakers I will put the 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:36.135 motion All those in favor against 00:21:36.159 --> 00:21:38.936 declare that carried thank you And as 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:41.960 I'm on a roll I'll have another Lord Mel 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:45.336 minute you may be aware that there 00:21:45.360 --> 00:21:48.360 was a federal election on the weekend 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:51.960 certainly I think it was one that was 00:21:52.159 --> 00:21:54.616 draining for many in the community 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:57.640 with the level of social media and 00:21:59.520 --> 00:22:01.096 phone calls and texting and all that 00:22:01.120 --> 00:22:03.256 went on But at the end of the day 00:22:03.280 --> 00:22:05.895 democracy has won out and I want to 00:22:05.919 --> 00:22:08.616 take this opportunity to congratulate 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:11.015 Allison Burns the member for Cunningham 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:14.039 Fiona Mc sorry Fiona Phillips the 00:22:14.320 --> 00:22:17.320 member for Gilmore and the future 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:20.440 member for Whittam Carol Bry I also 00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:22.456 want to congratulate all who put their 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:25.176 name forward to stand for office It 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:27.655 is not an easy thing to do to put 00:22:27.679 --> 00:22:30.535 your name forward and I know what a 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:32.775 commitment it takes from family as 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:35.176 well So well done Jess on your 00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:38.135 efforts But I particularly want to say 00:22:38.159 --> 00:22:41.015 how pleased we are that the Albanesei 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:43.336 government has won the day because they 00:22:43.360 --> 00:22:45.416 have committed $10 million to our 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:48.440 Warawong community center and library 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:50.456 And for that we are very grateful 00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:53.256 because we know how important it is 00:22:53.280 --> 00:22:55.336 for that community to have the library 00:22:55.360 --> 00:22:57.895 and community center that they deserve 00:22:57.919 --> 00:23:00.919 and this $10 million contribution 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:03.736 is very much needed to make sure that 00:23:03.760 --> 00:23:06.760 we can deliver that facility So I'm very 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:10.039 pleased that that commitment was 00:23:10.320 --> 00:23:12.696 made and we will certainly be working 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:14.135 with Alison Burns and member for 00:23:14.159 --> 00:23:16.135 Cunningham to make sure that is 00:23:16.159 --> 00:23:18.456 delivered forth with I'll leave my 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:20.296 comments there and open to the floor 00:23:20.320 --> 00:23:22.696 thank you 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:23.775 Councelor 00:23:23.799 --> 00:23:26.456 Campbell thank you Lord Mayor I rise to 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:28.456 support your minute and to also 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:31.480 acknowledge the difference that the $10 00:23:31.679 --> 00:23:34.679 million promised by the Albani 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:37.936 government and secured by the member for 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:40.960 Cunningham will make to this 00:23:41.280 --> 00:23:44.216 organization being able to offer a 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:47.240 quality facility to the residents of an 00:23:49.360 --> 00:23:52.360 area often described as one of the 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:55.015 lowest on the SEFA index certainly the 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:58.039 lowest levels in our city and 00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:01.176 statewide they feature quite high in the 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:04.200 top couple that's going to make a big 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:06.296 difference to what we're able to put 00:24:06.320 --> 00:24:08.135 there how we're going to do it and when 00:24:08.159 --> 00:24:10.216 we're going to be able to do it So I 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:13.015 couldn't be happier with the result 00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:15.336 thank you councelor Anne Martin Oh thank 00:24:15.360 --> 00:24:17.736 you Lord Mayor I'd just like to also 00:24:17.760 --> 00:24:19.976 support your minute and just say that 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:21.576 councelor Campbell and myself and 00:24:21.600 --> 00:24:24.600 yourself were offered a tour of the 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:26.616 Warong Community Center which is 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:29.640 currently operating out of a building 00:24:30.080 --> 00:24:32.616 that was supported by council but also 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:35.640 by Minister Scully And the amount of 00:24:36.159 --> 00:24:39.159 programs and activities that that 00:24:40.159 --> 00:24:42.296 organization is currently offering is 00:24:42.320 --> 00:24:44.856 fantastic And that organization will 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:47.880 clearly be one of our local groups 00:24:49.679 --> 00:24:52.216 and organizations to be based in the 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:55.176 library and community center as will the 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:57.535 Illawarra Legal Service and the Vietnamese 00:24:57.559 --> 00:24:59.816 Association and I suspect other 00:24:59.840 --> 00:25:02.840 organizations as well as time goes on So 00:25:03.679 --> 00:25:06.456 for those of us who are very familiar 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:09.416 with Ward 3 we're also looking forward 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:12.376 to works around pavements and 00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:14.056 landscaping 00:25:14.080 --> 00:25:17.080 and a general sense of pride in 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:19.736 Warong and King Street and our southern 00:25:19.760 --> 00:25:22.535 suburbs So I particularly would also 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:25.559 like to mirror your comments of thanks 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:30.039 to the Albani the brand new Albanese 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:34.696 government and our member for Cunningham 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:36.696 for their commitment and thank the 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:39.015 voters for supporting it thank you Lord 00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:42.039 May Councelor Docker thank you Lord May 00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:44.135 I just want to rise in support of 00:25:44.159 --> 00:25:46.856 your motion and give on behalf of my 00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:48.376 Greens colleagues So congratulations to 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:51.400 Allison Burns all credit to Allison 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:54.135 She ran a campaign that was respectful 00:25:54.159 --> 00:25:57.159 and I really appreciate that on 00:25:57.279 --> 00:25:58.936 the point of the Warong Community Center 00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:00.936 and Library yeah 100% that community 00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:02.535 needs it and I'm really looking forward 00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:04.696 to Allison following through on her 00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:06.856 election commitment to get that funded 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:09.255 and I guess just finally some of 00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:12.056 you may not have perceived this but this 00:26:12.080 --> 00:26:14.216 was a referend on renewable energy and 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:16.616 offshore wind offshore wind in the AWA 00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:19.255 there was plenty of misinformation 00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:21.976 put out there by those against it and 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:23.496 especially liberal candidates and each 00:26:23.520 --> 00:26:25.176 one of them in every seat saw a strong 00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:27.895 swing against them So what that tells me 00:26:27.919 --> 00:26:29.655 is that the people of Wollongong and 00:26:29.679 --> 00:26:31.576 NIllawarra are ready but for a renewable 00:26:31.600 --> 00:26:33.576 energy future for our climate 00:26:33.600 --> 00:26:35.655 environment and future generations thank 00:26:35.679 --> 00:26:38.679 you councelor Morris thank you Lord 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:41.096 Mayor I would also support this minute 00:26:41.120 --> 00:26:43.336 Congratulations to the Labor team on 00:26:43.360 --> 00:26:45.096 their efforts and and well done on 00:26:45.120 --> 00:26:47.336 getting through And now that we know who 00:26:47.360 --> 00:26:50.360 the member for Whittam is and who 00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:52.616 looks after the West region I think it 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:54.616 would be fantastic if we could get in 00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:56.856 touch with her to start asking for money 00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:59.880 for the Westapto region and hopefully we 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:01.736 can get that built and get some more 00:27:01.760 --> 00:27:04.760 housing in the area thank you very much 00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:07.096 That was one of my first text messages 00:27:07.120 --> 00:27:08.775 sent Sunday morning Council Morris don't 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:11.176 you worry about that Council Richard 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:13.015 Martin thank you thank you Lord Mayor 00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:14.775 thank you for bringing this minute and 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:17.799 I congratulate all the Labor members 00:27:17.840 --> 00:27:20.456 that have just been reelected or elected 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:22.616 and I also want to go on with what Kit 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:25.416 was saying about the renewable energy 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:27.895 and the offshore wind farm I have to say 00:27:27.919 --> 00:27:30.376 that on Saturday afternoon I was with 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:32.535 the Liberal candidate's father and we 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:34.856 were having a discussion and I said well 00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:36.616 to be quite honest not many people have 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:38.216 mentioned the wind farm thing to me 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:40.376 during the campaign and he said oh no 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:43.096 mate no mate it's a big issue out there 00:27:43.120 --> 00:27:45.496 and then I looked at the polling on 00:27:45.520 --> 00:27:47.736 Saturday night and the Liberal candidate 00:27:47.760 --> 00:27:50.296 got a swing against them and I think it 00:27:50.320 --> 00:27:52.616 shows the community is interested in the 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:55.640 long-term longevity of a society and if 00:27:55.760 --> 00:27:57.496 we don't address it now when do we 00:27:57.520 --> 00:27:59.895 address it so I say congratulations and 00:27:59.919 --> 00:28:01.895 thank you Allison for the 10 million and 00:28:01.919 --> 00:28:04.135 if you had a little bit more we would be 00:28:04.159 --> 00:28:07.159 grateful for it any any more thank you 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:10.856 thank you Your hand is out with that 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.816 I will put the motion All those in favor 00:28:13.840 --> 00:28:15.576 against declare that carried thank you 00:28:15.600 --> 00:28:16.736 very much 00:28:16.760 --> 00:28:19.760 everyone Right We now move to item one 00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:22.775 Councelor Brown M I'll move item one If 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:24.616 this is second or I'll speak to it 00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:27.496 Councelor Hayes thank you very much 00:28:27.520 --> 00:28:29.416 I look through this report and I see 00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:31.416 that we've got $7 billion worth of 00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:34.135 assets for the purpose of this docent 00:28:34.159 --> 00:28:36.456 which we describe as 180,000 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:39.336 individual items everything from 00:28:39.360 --> 00:28:41.616 drains to 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:43.496 antiquities Not quite sure what they are 00:28:43.520 --> 00:28:46.520 but I know it's artworks from the tactto 00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:48.296 collection in the li in the gallery I 00:28:48.320 --> 00:28:51.320 suspect Anyway I imagine there's a 00:28:51.520 --> 00:28:53.655 one demonic spreadsheet somewhere which 00:28:53.679 --> 00:28:56.679 lists all 180,000 assets Good luck with 00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:59.960 ministers that the plan before us is 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:01.895 incredibly detailed Everything from 00:29:01.919 --> 00:29:04.535 performance indicators to 10 out years 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.015 worth of budgeting and various risk 00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:09.496 analysis and other doc other information 00:29:09.520 --> 00:29:12.456 it aggregates out to something in the 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:14.456 ballpark of an $80 million spend each 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.480 year An incredible commitment when we 00:29:17.840 --> 00:29:19.496 go to this process we often ask our 00:29:19.520 --> 00:29:21.176 residents to give us feedback during the 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:23.336 expo period for this So a special call 00:29:23.360 --> 00:29:25.255 out to any subject matter experts who 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:26.696 might want to tell us about the various 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:28.856 items in their docent the various 00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:30.936 hundreds of pages of individual asset 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.960 types and classes asset renewal is a 00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.096 bit of a theme here So I'll I'll recycle 00:29:37.120 --> 00:29:39.176 my comments written assets if you like 00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:40.775 from last meeting when we consider the 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.416 asset strategy So I'll just reset it 00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:46.135 again because why not our item is a 00:29:46.159 --> 00:29:47.576 significant departure from previous 00:29:47.600 --> 00:29:50.296 thinking in this space it says why 00:29:50.320 --> 00:29:52.375 look for the unoptani of the whole of 00:29:52.399 --> 00:29:54.696 life depreciation for an asset that 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:57.720 might last 80 years or maybe 400 years 00:29:57.919 --> 00:30:00.296 if our engineers can work their magic 00:30:00.320 --> 00:30:02.216 Instead let's concentrate on the grow 00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:04.775 greater focus on that 10ear horizon and 00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:07.336 get it right which has the dual 00:30:07.360 --> 00:30:09.496 advantage of being in sync with our 00:30:09.520 --> 00:30:12.375 10ear CSPs and I think it can make our 00:30:12.399 --> 00:30:14.375 position both more accurate and 00:30:14.399 --> 00:30:17.015 healthier can I finish by by thanking 00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:19.496 the staff for what must be an absolute 00:30:19.520 --> 00:30:20.775 mountain of work that went into 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:22.856 preparing this docent It's incredibly 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:25.096 detailed but it it is a major chain 00:30:25.120 --> 00:30:26.856 point for us for this organization about 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:29.496 how we go about delivering which is a 00:30:29.520 --> 00:30:30.456 significant part of what this 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:31.976 organization does So I'm happy to see 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:33.816 this go out to expo and look forwarding 00:30:33.840 --> 00:30:35.655 for comments that we might get back 00:30:35.679 --> 00:30:38.535 thank you councelor Hayes 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:39.736 thanks Lord May I just wanted to 00:30:39.760 --> 00:30:41.576 highlight just one very small part of 00:30:41.600 --> 00:30:43.416 what council Brown has highlighted 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:44.936 around a very major docent and thank 00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:46.296 staff for all the work on it and look 00:30:46.320 --> 00:30:48.936 forward to the community feedback on it 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:50.856 just something in regards to 00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:53.255 footpaths that's I just found really 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:54.856 interesting on page 50 of the asset 00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:57.496 management plan or page 63 of 602 of the 00:30:57.520 --> 00:30:58.696 electronic version for those playing 00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:00.775 along at home 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:02.936 One of the one of the surveys around 00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:04.856 satisfaction actually separates the 00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:07.655 satisfaction scores between cycle 00:31:07.679 --> 00:31:10.679 ways shared paths and foot paths I 00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:13.816 really like to see it done this way I 00:31:13.840 --> 00:31:16.056 think when we sort of pull or use the 00:31:16.080 --> 00:31:19.080 Monica active travel to as a capture all 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:21.736 it does a disservice when we're 00:31:21.760 --> 00:31:23.895 discussing those transport options to 00:31:23.919 --> 00:31:25.576 put cycleways and footpaths together 00:31:25.600 --> 00:31:26.775 like they are doing the same thing 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:28.456 fundamentally ignores a significant 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:30.216 difference of what they do who they are 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:31.535 for and the value they have in the 00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:33.736 community And you can see then in that 00:31:33.760 --> 00:31:35.336 table that footpaths have a low 00:31:35.360 --> 00:31:37.495 satisfaction level even lower than 00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:39.255 shared paths and lower than cycle ways 00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:40.576 And I think that tells us something 00:31:40.600 --> 00:31:42.696 meaningful When you compare it to the 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:45.176 next table on the following page it has 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:47.255 an item about the maintenance of 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:49.416 footpaths shared paths and cycleways as 00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:52.056 a collective And I just sort of 00:31:52.080 --> 00:31:53.495 challenge what do we learn from that 00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:54.775 what does it actually say compared to 00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:57.255 the other one that separates them out 00:31:57.279 --> 00:31:59.255 I would say it suggests a lot less than 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.336 the previous table that separates them 00:32:01.360 --> 00:32:03.416 and let's just focus where we need to 00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:05.655 And just to finish up on that the value 00:32:05.679 --> 00:32:07.416 of footp pass is highlighted in every 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.816 plan every report we put out for the 00:32:09.840 --> 00:32:11.495 community They love them They want more 00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:12.775 of them They love them when they're 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.176 there we need to do more to lift that 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.655 satisfaction rating up and to achieve 00:32:17.679 --> 00:32:19.255 this part of what we need to do is stop 00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:21.176 pooling them into a miscellaneous 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.416 category of active travel and stop 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:25.015 pretending that bike lanes and footpaths 00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:28.039 are the same thing when they clearly are 00:32:29.320 --> 00:32:31.736 not There's no other speakers I just 00:32:31.760 --> 00:32:34.135 want to add my thanks to the staff for 00:32:34.159 --> 00:32:37.159 this behemoth of a docent it was 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:40.200 over 400 pages and my eyes were glazing 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:42.216 over last night after a very long 00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:45.240 Saturday but I do do think it does a 00:32:45.600 --> 00:32:47.495 wonderful job of capturing the task 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:50.519 ahead of us You know $7 billion worth of 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.255 assets that we have to maintain and 00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.279 protect and replace and certainly the 00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.176 impact on our budget of that 88 million 00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:01.976 a year but if you don't know the size 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:04.616 of the task you can't you know cut 00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:07.495 your cloth to meet it So knowing what 00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.976 we're facing in terms of footpaths 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.535 cycleways swimming pools sports grounds 00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.015 and that's a particular bug bear of 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.895 mine But knowing there are 85 sports 00:33:17.919 --> 00:33:19.255 fields out there that we have to 00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:22.279 maintain and every time we talk about 00:33:22.399 --> 00:33:25.399 a new asset coming along such as the 00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:28.135 library knowing that we have to start 00:33:28.159 --> 00:33:30.696 building in those replacement costs 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:32.135 the capital costs that sorry the 00:33:32.159 --> 00:33:35.096 maintenance and the the asset renewal 00:33:35.120 --> 00:33:37.576 it is a big task that our council faces 00:33:37.600 --> 00:33:40.375 And when you think that it's $7 billion 00:33:40.399 --> 00:33:42.216 that we've got there with the storm 00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:43.816 water drains and what have you running 00:33:43.840 --> 00:33:46.616 under the city that is a big task for 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.336 any council and certainly a huge task 00:33:49.360 --> 00:33:52.056 for us So my commendation to the 00:33:52.080 --> 00:33:55.080 staff for bringing it all together 00:33:55.360 --> 00:33:57.255 fantastic docent It was actually quite 00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:00.216 easy to read once you stop closing 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:03.015 but I really do commend them on that 00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:04.936 and I know we've got a big job ahead of 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:07.495 us to make sure that we are financially 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:09.655 sustainable and able to meet that task 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:12.296 So thank you to everyone and I do 00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:14.296 look forward to hearing if there are any 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.016 submissions coming back on this from as 00:34:17.040 --> 00:34:19.095 Council Brown says subject matter 00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:21.496 experts some people may delight in 00:34:21.520 --> 00:34:24.520 this sort of stuff but I think 00:34:24.720 --> 00:34:27.256 it's a very worthy docent for us to 00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:29.736 have to continue to refer back to make 00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:31.815 sure that we are delivering across all 00:34:31.839 --> 00:34:33.736 of these things for our community So 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.760 thank you for that Council Brown Ro 00:34:37.839 --> 00:34:39.655 in that case I'll put the motion All 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:42.296 those in favor against declare that 00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:45.320 carried thank you item three I'll 00:34:45.359 --> 00:34:47.256 move the recommendation Councelor David 00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.280 Brown Councelor Hayes seconded 00:34:50.399 --> 00:34:52.216 Lord May can I thank all the people that 00:34:52.240 --> 00:34:54.216 have taken the time to write to us on 00:34:54.240 --> 00:34:56.615 this issue It is clearly an issue that 00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:59.639 energizes a lot of people Sorry 00:35:00.640 --> 00:35:02.456 indeed it's something we need to turn 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:04.776 our mind to It is a Come on you're all 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:06.856 slow I've been busy on the busy on the 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.216 weekend doing something a little 00:35:09.240 --> 00:35:12.240 tired weak indeed this is an area 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:14.216 that you know it's a dynamic policy area 00:35:14.240 --> 00:35:15.575 and it's something we need to turn our 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:18.456 minds to and indeed we have done so in a 00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:19.736 limited way by bringing this 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:22.760 introductory chapter back to us as is 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:25.656 mentioned in the docent there are a 00:35:25.680 --> 00:35:28.136 number of chapters to come So we can 00:35:28.160 --> 00:35:29.896 expect our friends in the gallery to 00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:31.335 come and visit us a couple of more times 00:35:31.359 --> 00:35:32.376 probably for the rest of this calendar 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.400 year Book in your Mondays as I said 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:37.496 at the last time those extra chapters 00:35:37.520 --> 00:35:38.776 are the ones that will do the heavy 00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:41.335 policy lifting in this space This is 00:35:41.359 --> 00:35:44.136 very much an introductory chapter albeit 00:35:44.160 --> 00:35:46.616 it sets out a philosophical framework 00:35:46.640 --> 00:35:49.640 for how we work in this space as the 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.880 report says our resolution of council 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:55.335 was to go to the state government and 00:35:55.359 --> 00:35:57.575 say give us the tools give us powerful 00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:59.656 legislative tools so we can make a 00:35:59.680 --> 00:36:02.536 decision that sticks in this space 00:36:02.560 --> 00:36:04.776 that's work to be done but clearly there 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:06.376 is moment around that and hopefully 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:09.095 the state government can think of ways 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:11.335 to help us out and get us the policy 00:36:11.359 --> 00:36:13.256 levers that we need to make things 00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.280 happen I think also we shouldn't be 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:19.335 blind to the fact that any good any good 00:36:19.359 --> 00:36:22.216 program has a mix of carrots and sticks 00:36:22.240 --> 00:36:25.240 I'm more interested in that we have 00:36:25.680 --> 00:36:27.176 not spent enough time on the carrots in 00:36:27.200 --> 00:36:28.856 this particular case changing 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.856 regulations is easy changing people's 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:34.456 attitudes and understandings is quite 00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:36.136 difficult and I mentioned that 00:36:36.160 --> 00:36:39.160 because we know that the DCP is is a 00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:41.575 docent which has its limitations It's 00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:43.416 got a very specific function But we I 00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:45.656 know that you know 70% of dwellings are 00:36:45.680 --> 00:36:47.176 compliant Therefore it's can be made 00:36:47.200 --> 00:36:49.575 without reference to a DCP does not 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.599 have the statuto way of the leap so I 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:54.696 think the idea of promotion is very 00:36:54.720 --> 00:36:56.296 important in this space It's got two 00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:58.856 benefits One is that if people see 00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:01.256 the benefit of it they can just of their 00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:03.656 own valition make the house all electric 00:37:03.680 --> 00:37:06.216 and also by publicity maybe people can 00:37:06.240 --> 00:37:08.136 retrofit themselves if they've got the 00:37:08.160 --> 00:37:09.976 means to do it So that's part of what I 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:11.496 think is important in this process Lord 00:37:11.520 --> 00:37:13.896 May I think there's more work to be 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.256 done in this space As I said last time I 00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:16.376 really think we do need to get some 00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:18.856 expert advice on this one and I think 00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:21.736 it's an issue where we can go forward 00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:23.656 and change this docent DCPs are a 00:37:23.680 --> 00:37:25.496 docent totally within our permit to 00:37:25.520 --> 00:37:27.976 change and it may well be there's a 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.055 this comes back to us a number of times 00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:31.335 particularly in some related areas that 00:37:31.359 --> 00:37:33.016 hang off this there was a debate earlier 00:37:33.040 --> 00:37:35.815 on about wind farms which I guess is one 00:37:35.839 --> 00:37:36.936 end of the equation here the front of 00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:38.055 the equation this is more towards the 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:39.976 end of the equation so in between there 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:41.815 will be more docents which I think our 00:37:41.839 --> 00:37:43.575 planning system will need to be agile 00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:45.416 around and we should look for the best 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:47.575 practice in the space thank you 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:50.599 councelor Whitaker 00:37:50.720 --> 00:37:53.176 thank you Lord Mayor And thanks to 00:37:53.200 --> 00:37:55.095 the community for being here tonight and 00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:56.776 for the rally out the front I really 00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:59.016 enjoyed attending that earlier a lot 00:37:59.040 --> 00:38:00.936 of positive energy for electrification 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:03.736 which is really great to see because 00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:06.760 our community is leading the narrative 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:09.416 in Australia for electrification And 00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:12.440 we've seen electrified 2515 pop up and 00:38:12.720 --> 00:38:14.696 this is start sparking conversations 00:38:14.720 --> 00:38:17.016 nationally about what the opportunities 00:38:17.040 --> 00:38:20.040 are to electrify our homes and to get 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.480 real climate action in the time frame 00:38:23.520 --> 00:38:25.656 that we need to this is one thing 00:38:25.680 --> 00:38:27.575 this lowhanging fruit to electrify our 00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.599 homes and for council to show leadership 00:38:30.720 --> 00:38:32.536 on that in the subsequent chapters of 00:38:32.560 --> 00:38:35.560 the DCP would be really great to see I 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:38.296 just like to thank the staff for 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:39.976 responding to the submissions 00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:41.936 strengthening the ESD 00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:44.960 principles and I do agree with what 00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:48.216 Alexander public access speaker was 00:38:48.240 --> 00:38:50.296 saying that what we do in Wollongong 00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:51.976 does matter where the council in the 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:55.000 planning minister's state seat 00:38:56.160 --> 00:38:58.456 putting pressure on that way by leading 00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:00.216 from a council level is going to see 00:39:00.240 --> 00:39:03.176 state changes happen sooner on gas 00:39:03.200 --> 00:39:05.716 banning gas connections 00:39:05.740 --> 00:39:06.815 [Music] 00:39:06.839 --> 00:39:09.776 I guess 00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:12.776 yeah one of the public access 00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:14.376 speakers also mentioned that five 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:17.016 councils already have done this in their 00:39:17.040 --> 00:39:19.416 DCP So it would be yeah I don't I think 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.440 it's a very lowrisk approach to get 00:39:22.560 --> 00:39:24.696 there as soon as we can with chapter 00:39:24.720 --> 00:39:27.416 B2 which is the one where we have the 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:29.976 residential controls and with the DAPTO 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:33.000 urban release coming on very quickly 00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:36.456 the sooner that we can do it the 00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:38.936 better it's going to be because we saw 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:40.856 so many submissions so much engagement 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:43.815 from the community because because of 00:39:43.839 --> 00:39:45.896 that sense of urgency for climate action 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:48.616 so I think responding ing to that with 00:39:48.640 --> 00:39:51.640 expediting our pace on this would be 00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:54.296 really great to see thank you Council 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:57.320 Stewart thank you Lord Mayor I'd 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:01.400 also like to thank our staff for 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:04.616 taking on board and reviewing the 00:40:04.640 --> 00:40:07.016 docent and incorporating a lot of the 00:40:07.040 --> 00:40:08.896 suggestions and comments from the 00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:11.920 community I know that a lot in the 00:40:12.720 --> 00:40:14.616 community including myself we want to 00:40:14.640 --> 00:40:17.640 see action on this We want to see 00:40:18.200 --> 00:40:21.200 all electric controls in the DCP I 00:40:23.200 --> 00:40:26.200 accept that this chapter is you know 00:40:26.640 --> 00:40:29.176 a guidance chapter It's not an 00:40:29.200 --> 00:40:30.776 introductory chapter what rather than 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:32.776 one where controls are So that makes 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:35.335 sense from the staff perspective What I 00:40:35.359 --> 00:40:38.359 do want to point out is that in the 00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:42.119 the amended version I I like 00:40:43.160 --> 00:40:45.736 specifically that and I want to 00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:48.656 acknowledge that the staff have 00:40:48.680 --> 00:40:51.680 included mention of 00:40:51.720 --> 00:40:54.720 all electric or 00:40:57.119 --> 00:40:59.736 in a number of places so for 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:02.760 example on in the ex under the 00:41:03.839 --> 00:41:06.456 objective 3.1 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:08.216 ensure development incorporates 00:41:08.240 --> 00:41:09.896 climate friendly design energy 00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:11.815 efficiency and emissions reductions to 00:41:11.839 --> 00:41:13.496 increase resilience and reduce 00:41:13.520 --> 00:41:16.520 environmental impact under B in 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:18.936 encourage and enable a transition to low 00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:21.896 waste and emissions lifestyle Examples 00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.536 of how to satisfy including achieve 00:41:24.560 --> 00:41:26.616 baseline beyond baseline neighbors and 00:41:26.640 --> 00:41:29.416 basics ratings for energy and water in 00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:31.776 all new non-residential and residential 00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:34.800 development at 3.6 six under energy 00:41:35.200 --> 00:41:38.200 efficiency and renewables maximizing 00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:41.496 energy number B maximizing energy 00:41:41.520 --> 00:41:43.496 efficiency and development and use 00:41:43.520 --> 00:41:45.976 renewable energy sources to transition 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:49.000 away from fossil fuels with an 00:41:49.200 --> 00:41:52.200 example of how to satisfy at point six 00:41:52.240 --> 00:41:54.376 enable lots within a residential 00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:57.335 subdivision to be all electric and 00:41:57.359 --> 00:42:00.359 then under objective 3.7 which relates 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.856 to community health quality of life 00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:05.880 amenity and social well-being which 00:42:06.359 --> 00:42:09.359 recognizes kind of equitable access and 00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:12.616 indoor air quality matters there's an 00:42:12.640 --> 00:42:15.176 example of how to satisfy it point two 00:42:15.200 --> 00:42:17.256 provide all electric appliances for 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:20.216 indoor cooking and heating I'm sorry 00:42:20.240 --> 00:42:22.536 also above it number one rationalize 00:42:22.560 --> 00:42:24.616 energy sources to promote all electric 00:42:24.640 --> 00:42:26.776 buildings and avoid gas supply and 00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:29.800 disconnection charges So I like given 00:42:31.040 --> 00:42:33.575 that I mean the community submissions 00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:35.736 related to a lot of things but clearly 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.536 all all electric mandate is probably 00:42:38.560 --> 00:42:40.856 the strongest thing I understand that 00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.176 came through and I like that that's 00:42:43.200 --> 00:42:46.200 included in a number of aspects the I 00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.960 understand given the current basics 00:42:50.640 --> 00:42:53.640 statements that the DCP cannot 00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.000 mandate 00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:04.400 further or more stringent 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.295 greenhouse gas emissions controls But 00:43:08.319 --> 00:43:10.856 nonetheless going all electric also does 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.656 fit in under climate change adaptation 00:43:13.680 --> 00:43:15.456 and mitigation 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:18.480 now which is the first objective 00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:20.335 [Applause] 00:43:20.359 --> 00:43:23.359 3.1 under that at B where it says 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:25.896 achieve beyond baseline neighbors and 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:28.256 basics 00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:31.280 potentially it could fit in there 00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:34.216 but after discussion with Mr Stewart 00:43:34.240 --> 00:43:36.616 within staff just as the council was 00:43:36.640 --> 00:43:39.640 meeting was starting I after a 00:43:40.560 --> 00:43:42.136 conversation with him I was going to 00:43:42.160 --> 00:43:44.856 suggest an amendment where we put all 00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:47.880 electric as an example of that However 00:43:48.560 --> 00:43:50.776 he said that might not that might not 00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.575 even itself be sufficient So I'm 00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:56.599 wondering because of when an ordinary 00:43:57.040 --> 00:44:00.040 person reads this most people like I 00:44:00.560 --> 00:44:02.136 don't know all the details of neighbors 00:44:02.160 --> 00:44:04.936 and basics off the top of my head 00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:07.055 whereas when a person reads this if they 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:10.079 see 8 an all electric building as an 00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:14.280 example of how to satisfy the objective 00:44:14.640 --> 00:44:16.616 of climate change adaptation and 00:44:16.640 --> 00:44:19.496 mitigation I think that makes sense So 00:44:19.520 --> 00:44:22.520 I'm requesting an amendment that 00:44:23.359 --> 00:44:26.359 in in the adop in the docent that we 00:44:27.359 --> 00:44:30.359 would adopt that at exam at objective 00:44:32.680 --> 00:44:35.680 3.1 climate change adaptation and 00:44:35.720 --> 00:44:38.720 mitigation there is a dot point called 00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:42.280 8 under examples of how to satisfy 00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:46.280 and I have sent it through to cass 00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:48.376 to staff 00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:51.400 to to put up on the screen to all all 00:44:53.359 --> 00:44:56.095 electric building basically is the 00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:58.696 example So that's one amendment I would 00:44:58.720 --> 00:45:00.936 like I move 00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:02.896 to 00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:05.920 change to make sorry and the second one 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:09.456 is 00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:12.480 given that this chapter itself 00:45:12.720 --> 00:45:15.720 doesn't have controls in it and 00:45:17.040 --> 00:45:19.256 clearly there'll be controls related to 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:20.856 ESD 00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.376 throughout the 00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:26.400 the in in other chapters of the DCP 00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:31.800 specifically in relation to 00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:35.800 mandating all electric buildings I 00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:37.575 just want to put a question to the 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:39.256 general manager Before you do that 00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:41.416 council Stewart your time has well 00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:43.896 expired how long do do you seek an 00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:46.536 extension of time yes please And for how 00:45:46.560 --> 00:45:49.560 long 5 minutes 00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.400 Two two a question to two minutes 00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:55.575 outside of the question I think 00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:57.856 someone move that council docker 00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:00.880 second thank you and Martin continue Oh 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:02.575 all those in 00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:05.176 favor carriage 00:46:05.200 --> 00:46:07.335 So a question to the general manager I 00:46:07.359 --> 00:46:09.416 just want to understand what the 00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:12.136 approach of council is moving forward In 00:46:12.160 --> 00:46:14.696 this docent it says writing letters 00:46:14.720 --> 00:46:17.335 to the state ministers What's your 00:46:17.359 --> 00:46:20.359 expectation of the process in terms of 00:46:20.720 --> 00:46:23.720 what happens after that 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:27.079 general Manager Mr Stewart thank you 00:46:27.200 --> 00:46:28.936 General Manager we're currently in 00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:30.376 the process of just gathering 00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:32.856 information including any responses 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.880 we received from ministers and 00:46:36.319 --> 00:46:38.295 that's a was obviously an outcome of the 00:46:38.319 --> 00:46:41.319 December 2024 council meeting So 00:46:41.520 --> 00:46:43.656 we'll be pursuing that once we've 00:46:43.680 --> 00:46:45.335 armed with that information and other 00:46:45.359 --> 00:46:47.016 research we're doing in terms of the 00:46:47.040 --> 00:46:48.776 options we'll come back and have a 00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:51.575 discussion with council essentially 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:53.416 want want to talk to councils about the 00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:55.335 options what the implications of 00:46:55.359 --> 00:46:57.656 those options are and what a possible 00:46:57.680 --> 00:47:00.680 roll out might look like and what 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:03.016 we'll do is obviously we'll look to 00:47:03.040 --> 00:47:05.896 advance something in in this regard 00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:08.376 for future DCP reviews that'll be 00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.400 debated by councilors at the time Okay 00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:14.760 and through the general manager so 00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:17.575 with an expectation of a consistent 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:19.095 approach 00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:22.119 related to any all electric mandate 00:47:22.240 --> 00:47:25.240 or not for all of the subsequent 00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:28.216 chapters kind of being discussed mid 00:47:28.240 --> 00:47:31.240 this year is that correct Mr 00:47:32.160 --> 00:47:34.776 Yeah I think we obviously try and get 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.176 some consistency when we're talking 00:47:37.200 --> 00:47:39.416 about provisions relating to residential 00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:42.440 development primarily and but 00:47:42.720 --> 00:47:44.936 there may be some nuances So we'll come 00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:46.696 back to council with some options and 00:47:46.720 --> 00:47:48.456 we'll discuss those options and 00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:50.696 implications of those options 00:47:50.720 --> 00:47:53.720 If I could counselors so what our aim 00:47:54.240 --> 00:47:55.575 would be is to make sure that there's 00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:57.335 clarity and consistency and I think 00:47:57.359 --> 00:47:58.856 that's the question councelor you're 00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:01.656 asking of us in terms of through the 00:48:01.680 --> 00:48:04.680 various chapters and it's it's critical 00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:07.880 that that's what we provide so 00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:11.079 community can actually see continuity 00:48:12.160 --> 00:48:14.776 through through those chapters 00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:17.016 thank you general manager and the the 00:48:17.040 --> 00:48:18.936 only other reason I asked the question 00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:21.960 is just so community knows what what 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.559 process council is following in in kind 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.295 of the time frames also in response to 00:48:28.319 --> 00:48:31.095 their push for all electric So that's 00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.119 why I proposed the second part of my 00:48:34.160 --> 00:48:36.776 amendment which I sent through which was 00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.800 so yes this docent gets accepted 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.856 with that minor point I've suggested but 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:44.776 then following the receipt of 00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:47.800 responses from New South Wales ministers 00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:49.295 council will 00:48:49.319 --> 00:48:52.319 discuss any all electric controls around 00:48:53.200 --> 00:48:56.200 June this year to develop an approach 00:48:56.319 --> 00:48:58.456 on this issue which can be incorporated 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.480 consistently into subsequent DCP chapter 00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:04.136 Yes please Cuz we've already written to 00:49:04.160 --> 00:49:06.376 ministers thanks Mayor We're going to 00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:08.936 Mr Stewart just it just was a little 00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:10.936 unclear Can you just answer the question 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.896 around the timetable just with respect 00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:16.776 to what's being currently proposed 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:19.256 please yeah thank you general manager So 00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:22.216 in the report we have got a a time 00:49:22.240 --> 00:49:24.856 frame if you like of the 00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:27.416 commitments we've made to review various 00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:30.440 DCP chapters we hope to be in a 00:49:30.640 --> 00:49:32.216 position to come back to councilors in 00:49:32.240 --> 00:49:35.240 about June with some advice in this 00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:38.295 regard and that'll I suppose that 00:49:38.319 --> 00:49:40.696 that will align with probably the main 00:49:40.720 --> 00:49:43.176 the the first chapter that relates to 00:49:43.200 --> 00:49:44.856 residential development in our city 00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:47.256 center 00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:49.335 Can I just for the staff councelor 00:49:49.359 --> 00:49:52.359 Docker did second the amendment 00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:56.216 question to Lord May done it again 00:49:56.240 --> 00:49:59.240 general manager hadn't we already 00:49:59.680 --> 00:50:01.095 moved the motion that we're writing to 00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:02.856 the New South Wales government ministers 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.880 in December last year mr Can you confirm 00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:08.535 that two there 00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:10.376 that's correct We have so that was part 00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:12.736 of the resolution in December last 00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.760 year A draft submission or letter 00:50:16.720 --> 00:50:19.335 has been prepared we were waiting for 00:50:19.359 --> 00:50:21.335 the feedback from the exhibition process 00:50:21.359 --> 00:50:23.896 just to understand what the community 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:26.295 were asking and obviously some of 00:50:26.319 --> 00:50:28.295 those are probably probably matters that 00:50:28.319 --> 00:50:29.976 are best dealt with with at a state 00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:33.000 level So but we're very very close to 00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:34.376 being in a position to send those 00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:36.856 letters off Lord okay so councelor 00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.095 Stewart are you okay with removing 2 00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:40.696 there 00:50:40.720 --> 00:50:43.720 i think it already stands as a as a 00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.920 endorsed motion councelor Brown do 00:50:47.680 --> 00:50:49.736 you would you accept that as a variation 00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:51.656 Lord Mayor I actually had written 00:50:51.680 --> 00:50:54.376 down point8 making a building auditory 00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:55.335 So I'm going to accept that as a 00:50:55.359 --> 00:50:56.535 variation because I was going to say the 00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:59.295 same one myself on the basis of some 00:50:59.319 --> 00:51:02.319 exchange of tweets I don't accept 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:03.815 point two I think staff have given us 00:51:03.839 --> 00:51:06.216 some answers there I'm not sure what 00:51:06.240 --> 00:51:07.896 direction we can have there Council will 00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:10.376 discuss we can't direct ourselves to 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:12.456 discuss something We can't direct 00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:14.856 that to happen So I think I'm 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:16.216 comfortable with the responses we've got 00:51:16.240 --> 00:51:17.736 We know it's in train We know this a 00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:19.496 year's been worked I'm happy to accept 00:51:19.520 --> 00:51:21.416 point one as a variation and I think 00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:22.856 point two I think we just know it's 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:23.736 happening I don't think we need to have 00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:25.736 a formal resolution that ties us to 00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:27.656 timelines and a process It's not exactly 00:51:27.680 --> 00:51:30.680 clear So council Hayes would you accept 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:33.256 that as a variation 00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:35.256 similar point one Yes But not point 2 00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:37.335 Okay Council Stewart are you happy for 00:51:37.359 --> 00:51:39.416 0.1 to be accepted as a variation into 00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:42.440 the motion 00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:45.095 she doesn't get a choice actually It's 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:48.119 my my motion It's yours Well she might 00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:50.696 reject it as a variation standalone 00:51:50.720 --> 00:51:53.720 amendment 00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:59.880 Do I get now yes I'm happy for that 00:52:00.160 --> 00:52:03.160 that to be accepted 0.1 into the 00:52:03.839 --> 00:52:06.839 sorry the variation into 0.1 I I just 00:52:07.359 --> 00:52:09.535 I'm just concerned a lot of people don't 00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:12.295 watch the videos of these meetings and 00:52:12.319 --> 00:52:14.535 stuff and there is interest in the in 00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:17.559 the in this So it's a way of 00:52:17.680 --> 00:52:20.616 communicating just kind of what the next 00:52:20.640 --> 00:52:23.496 what what council's approach is That was 00:52:23.520 --> 00:52:25.896 all I was trying to do in that point too 00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.920 was kind of be transparent for the 00:52:29.359 --> 00:52:31.656 community 00:52:31.680 --> 00:52:33.016 I I think there will be many 00:52:33.040 --> 00:52:34.616 opportunities for us to keep continuing 00:52:34.640 --> 00:52:37.256 to discuss this as future chapters come 00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:40.280 with that move to council Hayes 00:52:40.319 --> 00:52:42.936 thanks Lord Mayor Council Stewart made a 00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.176 point around making language clear and I 00:52:45.200 --> 00:52:46.936 just wanted to touch upon that with a 00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:49.016 couple of discussion points that have 00:52:49.040 --> 00:52:50.535 been made by the speakers and also the 00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:53.055 debate so far 00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:55.496 the discussion of an all electric 00:52:55.520 --> 00:52:58.520 mandate is really a a ban on gas and 00:52:58.640 --> 00:53:01.416 I think to be to be clear and to be open 00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:03.256 that's that's just what should be talked 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:05.815 about when this is discussed one of 00:53:05.839 --> 00:53:07.815 the speakers says that ban on gas has 00:53:07.839 --> 00:53:09.896 strong community support but I think 00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:12.776 there is a a nuanced difference 00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:14.535 between strong community support and 00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:16.616 actually strong support from some of the 00:53:16.640 --> 00:53:18.376 community And I think that's what we're 00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:21.400 seeing I think 52 of the 54 responses to 00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:23.736 this we're obviously linked in with 00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:26.295 the campaign around this Earlier today 00:53:26.319 --> 00:53:29.319 we had a petition for keeping the 00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:31.256 pool hours of the Continental open for 00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:33.416 longer We had over 300 signatures for 00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:35.335 that and we had 300 signatures on a 00:53:35.359 --> 00:53:36.856 petition for Ben Park for something that 00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:39.880 wasn't even happening so we've got 00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:42.055 you know five six times the support for 00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:45.016 those things So it's I think it's strong 00:53:45.040 --> 00:53:46.216 support from the community I'm not 00:53:46.240 --> 00:53:48.936 diminishing people's view on wanting to 00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:50.535 ban gas and electrifying I think it's a 00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:53.335 legitimate position to have but I 00:53:53.359 --> 00:53:55.095 think most people probably don't have an 00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:57.416 opinion on it For those that do I would 00:53:57.440 --> 00:53:59.256 suspect many don't want to ban And then 00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:00.856 there's left that small segment who do 00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:03.736 want it banned but I encourage those 00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:06.760 who want to do that to keep promoting 00:54:07.040 --> 00:54:08.456 what they're doing so people can make 00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:10.376 that choice And that's what it's about 00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:12.616 that choice The other part I just wanted 00:54:12.640 --> 00:54:14.616 to correct and I I I didn't ask a 00:54:14.640 --> 00:54:16.136 question to the first speaker because I 00:54:16.160 --> 00:54:18.696 may have misheard it but they they named 00:54:18.720 --> 00:54:20.696 the councils in New South Wales that had 00:54:20.720 --> 00:54:23.416 banned gas and one of them was Waga 00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:25.496 for those that are aware I was a 00:54:25.520 --> 00:54:28.216 counselor in Waga so I can speak to 00:54:28.240 --> 00:54:31.016 this very clearly They have not So I 00:54:31.040 --> 00:54:33.815 don't know where that has come from 00:54:33.839 --> 00:54:35.736 when I was on council there Green's 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:37.416 councelor put up a motion to start 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:39.656 banning gas and it didn't get seconded 00:54:39.680 --> 00:54:40.856 So it didn't even get debated on the 00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:42.535 floor That's how comprehensively it was 00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:45.416 rejected Since I left there I believe 00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:48.055 a petition has been put forward similar 00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:50.776 to to what's been discussed tonight 00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:52.456 where that petition gets accepted just 00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:54.856 like we accepted multiple petitions here 00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:57.016 but now there is a counter petition 00:54:57.040 --> 00:54:59.575 to that petition about it I guarantee 00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:01.416 Waggle will not be banning gas it 00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:04.440 hasn't So if it's five councils have 00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:06.295 done it it should reduce that to four 00:55:06.319 --> 00:55:07.976 and we should be accurate and clear in 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:09.416 the language which was the point of of 00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:11.416 what I wanted to debate today thanks 00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:14.055 Lord May thank you 00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:16.696 Council Docker thank you Lord May I 00:55:16.720 --> 00:55:17.656 just want to stress to all the 00:55:17.680 --> 00:55:19.896 councilors that there definitely is 00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:21.736 support for this in the community but 00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:24.376 regardless of the level of support 00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:25.815 all levels of government should be 00:55:25.839 --> 00:55:27.416 following evidence-based approach to 00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:29.335 policy and the evidence on this is 00:55:29.359 --> 00:55:32.136 absolutely clear from health to cost 00:55:32.160 --> 00:55:34.295 of living to the environment it's 00:55:34.319 --> 00:55:36.216 clear so we shouldn't just wait until 00:55:36.240 --> 00:55:38.776 we think it's popular enough to do it 00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:40.295 organizations like the World Health 00:55:40.319 --> 00:55:41.736 Organization the World Bank the 00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:43.815 International Renewable Energy Agency 00:55:43.839 --> 00:55:46.776 all call for a full electrification 00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:49.800 and councelor Whitaker touched on 00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:52.376 West Depto Well outside of that we have 00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:54.055 thousands and thousands of apartments 00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:55.976 coming along online through density 00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.000 uplift and so now is the opportunity 00:55:59.200 --> 00:56:00.696 to do it so we don't have to go back 00:56:00.720 --> 00:56:02.936 later and fix all the costs and all 00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:05.095 the wrongs that we made before So that's 00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:06.856 a big part of why councilor Stewart and 00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:08.456 the community are pushing this 00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:10.535 because what a perfect opportunity 00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:12.856 all these new homes going up and as a 00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:15.016 renter it's hard enough to find a home I 00:56:15.040 --> 00:56:16.535 couldn't imagine if you had 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:19.496 respiratory issues or disease and 00:56:19.520 --> 00:56:21.095 then all of a sudden you even have less 00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.016 housing supply because there's because 00:56:23.040 --> 00:56:24.535 you know us as a council were not 00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:25.736 willing to make the bold and brave 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:28.616 decision to mandate all electrification 00:56:28.640 --> 00:56:30.856 so yeah that's my point thank you 00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:33.496 thank you Council Morris thank you 00:56:33.520 --> 00:56:35.416 Lord Mayor I'm just more curious 00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.440 about this electrify u movement whether 00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:41.095 it follows EU standards including the 00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:44.055 Irish French pack that's going on 00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:46.216 where Ireland has all the renewables but 00:56:46.240 --> 00:56:48.856 are building a 700 km cable to France 00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:51.656 for nuclear power to ensure stability 00:56:51.680 --> 00:56:54.496 where the nuclear power is part of the 00:56:54.520 --> 00:56:57.520 electra electrify everything campaign to 00:56:57.839 --> 00:57:00.839 make sure that we have a non-fossil 00:57:01.040 --> 00:57:04.040 fuel green stable load code that is 00:57:05.040 --> 00:57:08.040 going to service Australia which has 00:57:08.240 --> 00:57:11.240 been identified in the EU until we 00:57:12.720 --> 00:57:15.416 have that standard we can't get rid of 00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:18.440 stable loads at this time and in putting 00:57:19.040 --> 00:57:21.736 in a submission to make bands based 00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:23.896 on cherrypicked evidence and 00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:26.696 statistics is not really the best way of 00:57:26.720 --> 00:57:29.656 calling it evidence-based in my opinion 00:57:29.680 --> 00:57:31.335 thank you thank you Councelor Anne 00:57:31.359 --> 00:57:34.359 Martin Ah thank you Lord Mayor 00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:38.400 can I say councelor Morris can I just 00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:41.880 comment that I think the debate on 00:57:42.640 --> 00:57:45.640 nuclear might have been had 00:57:46.319 --> 00:57:49.319 somewhat resoundedly But anyway I 00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:52.496 am 00:57:52.520 --> 00:57:55.520 very supportive of what we are doing 00:57:56.640 --> 00:57:59.416 here and what we are attempting to do 00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:02.440 What I'm careful about is the idea of 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:07.079 the mandating of something through a DCP 00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:09.976 which in itself is not a legislative 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:13.000 docent and some of my interactions 00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:16.920 with the vagaries of planning are 00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.960 such that getting a response on anything 00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:25.960 that is either mandated or not mandated 00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:29.880 is at times like pushing trial uphill 00:58:31.520 --> 00:58:34.456 so I think what we do here as a city is 00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:37.176 important and I absolutely agree that we 00:58:37.200 --> 00:58:40.200 have a strong leadership 00:58:40.319 --> 00:58:42.376 responsibility if you like and also I 00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:45.400 remind you we are the city of innovation 00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:48.559 so I I will I support where we are 00:58:50.799 --> 00:58:53.416 now with this discussion that we're very 00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:56.416 good at doing on the floor of this 00:58:56.440 --> 00:58:59.440 council And I we have a funny saying 00:59:01.200 --> 00:59:04.200 in the planning world and we say change 00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:06.095 is 00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:09.119 imminent and what that means is do not 00:59:09.200 --> 00:59:12.200 hold your breath However I do get the 00:59:12.720 --> 00:59:14.456 breathing 00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:17.295 relationship between gas and 00:59:17.319 --> 00:59:20.319 breathing it is important we will see 00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:24.599 what response we get from the bofins and 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:27.880 the policy makers and those people who 00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:31.400 know more than we do not to mention 00:59:31.520 --> 00:59:34.520 the legal minds who will have to come up 00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:37.559 with a way of doing this so that we 00:59:39.200 --> 00:59:41.976 aren't constantly having argents with 00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:45.000 the development industry around oh but 00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:47.815 but we want to do it We can say well no 00:59:47.839 --> 00:59:49.896 you we don't really mind if you want to 00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:52.136 do it but you can't do it I think it's 00:59:52.160 --> 00:59:53.496 going to take a while before we get 00:59:53.520 --> 00:59:55.976 there but this conversation this debate 00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:59.000 is an important step and I thank 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:01.976 Council Stewart and all those other 01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:04.775 councilors who have commented and had 01:00:04.799 --> 01:00:07.575 ideas about how to do it tonight thank 01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:09.656 you Council Stewart you've already 01:00:09.680 --> 01:00:12.680 spoken Did you Did you have a question 01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:15.960 no Okay thank you Council Brown Right of 01:00:16.160 --> 01:00:17.896 reply thank you Lord Mayor and thank you 01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:19.896 to everyone who's entered the debate 01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:21.815 I think it's been useful for people to 01:00:21.839 --> 01:00:23.176 air their views and there has been a 01:00:23.200 --> 01:00:25.496 definite exchange of information and 01:00:25.520 --> 01:00:28.055 ideas here I'll repeat what I said 01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:29.976 earlier I think that ultimately we will 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:31.575 need the state government to provide a 01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:34.136 range of levers in policy settings that 01:00:34.160 --> 01:00:35.736 stick for us to make this work and we'll 01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:38.216 wait to see how that happens my view 01:00:38.240 --> 01:00:39.656 was that maybe you could fold it into 01:00:39.680 --> 01:00:41.896 basics but maybe you need a parallel 01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:43.815 basics that that deals with issues 01:00:43.839 --> 01:00:46.456 outside of the simple energy efficiency 01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:48.775 you could build a a very energy 01:00:48.799 --> 01:00:50.775 inefficient building with electricity 01:00:50.799 --> 01:00:52.775 all through it if you really wanted to 01:00:52.799 --> 01:00:54.456 can also say that I've read some of 01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:56.535 the legal advice on this area and I'm 01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:57.496 not don't find it particularly 01:00:57.520 --> 01:00:59.416 convincing but I also say well who's 01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:00.376 going to challenge it and for what 01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:02.775 reason so this is an area where the 01:01:02.799 --> 01:01:04.856 really the legal footings could shift 01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:07.335 under us That's why again I say we 01:01:07.359 --> 01:01:08.856 really need some strengthening of 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:10.775 instrents at the state level to make 01:01:10.799 --> 01:01:13.016 sure councils know where they stand and 01:01:13.040 --> 01:01:14.456 we can implement the best policies we 01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:17.480 can in this space 01:01:17.680 --> 01:01:19.696 So I'll put the motion All those in 01:01:19.720 --> 01:01:22.720 favor against declare that carried thank 01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:26.119 you Item four 01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:29.016 Councelor David Brown I'll move 01:01:29.040 --> 01:01:30.216 recommendation as printed I understand 01:01:30.240 --> 01:01:31.616 there was a thank 01:01:31.640 --> 01:01:33.295 you 01:01:33.319 --> 01:01:36.319 seconded speakers to it 01:01:45.200 --> 01:01:47.095 Sorry Council Stewart you you wanted 01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:48.856 this pulled from the agenda Yeah there's 01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:51.736 just one little I I didn't realize I was 01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:53.095 trying to get through my list There was 01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:55.575 just one little error with the address 01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:58.535 on there it says Lake View Parade 01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:01.559 instead of Lake Avenue at one point on 01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:03.496 the page Sorry I couldn't remember It 01:02:03.520 --> 01:02:04.696 was just something I would have sorted 01:02:04.720 --> 01:02:07.656 it out with staff Sorry Okay general 01:02:07.680 --> 01:02:10.680 manager thank you Loted and we'll 01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:13.176 make that change to the record thanks 01:02:13.200 --> 01:02:16.200 councelor Okay I'm assing there are no 01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:18.216 further speakers to it then I'll put the 01:02:18.240 --> 01:02:20.696 motion All those in favor against 01:02:20.720 --> 01:02:23.720 declare that carried thank you Item 01:02:24.359 --> 01:02:27.359 six council and 01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:30.616 Martin and seconded Council Hayes thank 01:02:30.640 --> 01:02:33.640 you thank you I'd like to move the 01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:36.016 motion as 01:02:36.040 --> 01:02:39.040 printed I wasn't I I did read this 01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:43.416 obviously with significant interest 01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:45.496 but when it wasn't going to be discussed 01:02:45.520 --> 01:02:47.736 I thought oh well in some ways my job is 01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:50.760 done because everyone's happy generally 01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:54.280 speaking so for those who aren't 01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:58.760 offay with my long and somewhat 01:02:59.520 --> 01:03:02.295 convoluted career 01:03:02.319 --> 01:03:05.319 hey colorful colorful okay thank you 01:03:05.680 --> 01:03:08.176 I was I was an 01:03:08.200 --> 01:03:10.775 an artist planner for a number of 01:03:10.799 --> 01:03:13.799 public art projects including on what 01:03:14.720 --> 01:03:17.496 at the time was a very innovative 01:03:17.520 --> 01:03:20.520 program at the Liverpool City Library 01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:23.496 working with council and architects on 01:03:23.520 --> 01:03:26.055 an arts plan which resulted in 01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:28.456 something like 18 artists working on 01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:31.480 that project on permanent and temporal 01:03:31.680 --> 01:03:34.055 artworks as part of a new library Now 01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:34.896 that 01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:37.920 was who that would be about 40 years 01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:41.055 ago 01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:44.079 and it was a fabulous experience 01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:49.416 done on the smell of an oily rag And at 01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:51.736 the time I think when I look at the 01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:54.055 public art program here I also worked on 01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:57.079 the DCP at Paramea council to ensure 01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:00.760 that there was a requirement in the city 01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:02.936 center not just city center but the 01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:05.960 whole of the parameter DCP that any 01:04:06.319 --> 01:04:08.616 development over 5,000 square meters 01:04:08.640 --> 01:04:11.640 would have to have a arts plan So there 01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:15.079 was no requirement on a cost but they 01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:17.015 had to have an arts plan that was 01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:20.039 approved by council and council actually 01:04:20.319 --> 01:04:23.319 provided a group of expertise and people 01:04:23.520 --> 01:04:26.295 to work with the proponent to make sure 01:04:26.319 --> 01:04:28.456 that that arts plan was implemented and 01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:30.535 that's when you're in Paramea and I was 01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:33.095 there recently and I was amazed at the 01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:36.119 diversity of work in and around 01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:38.696 Paramea and it made me feel like a very 01:04:38.720 --> 01:04:41.720 proud old builder so when I looked at 01:04:42.720 --> 01:04:45.136 this there I've just got a few quick 01:04:45.160 --> 01:04:48.160 comments one is that I'm really 01:04:49.039 --> 01:04:51.815 loving the combination of permanent 01:04:51.839 --> 01:04:54.839 temporal and ex ephemeral public art 01:04:57.039 --> 01:04:59.896 I think the idea of work that appears 01:04:59.920 --> 01:05:02.136 and then disappears and is designed to 01:05:02.160 --> 01:05:04.696 disappear I think is really interesting 01:05:04.720 --> 01:05:06.936 and it helps us see our landscape and 01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:09.960 our places extremely well because one 01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:12.376 minute you see it and the next minute 01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:14.535 it's gone which is what life is all 01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:17.416 about anyway the other thing that I 01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:19.896 think is really important is around 01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:22.295 placemaking and we've seen that this 01:05:22.319 --> 01:05:25.216 city's got some wonderful examples of 01:05:25.240 --> 01:05:27.976 placemaking Some which are very subtle 01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:31.000 and others that aren't so subtle and 01:05:32.240 --> 01:05:35.095 it is also a crossover when it's done 01:05:35.119 --> 01:05:38.119 well with heritage and interpretation 01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:41.400 When you have a look at the Nano 01:05:41.680 --> 01:05:44.216 artwork in Port Kemler well I 01:05:44.240 --> 01:05:47.015 probably pronounced that extremely badly 01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:50.039 I have Yes And apologies that 01:05:52.640 --> 01:05:55.640 in itself is a a critical example of how 01:05:56.160 --> 01:05:59.160 work can educate and also inspire 01:06:00.520 --> 01:06:03.520 I would also like to just point out 01:06:03.680 --> 01:06:05.976 that sometimes the best art doesn't look 01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:09.000 like art because smarty pants artists 01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:12.055 like me it's kind of easy sometimes to 01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:14.055 make art that everybody goes "Oh yes 01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:16.456 that's art." But it's a lot harder to 01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:18.616 make art that doesn't look like art but 01:06:18.640 --> 01:06:21.216 still has a presence 01:06:21.240 --> 01:06:24.240 I would like us to be more serious 01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:26.616 about 01:06:26.640 --> 01:06:29.640 shaking the planning tree 01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:33.280 around the where DCPs and how we can 01:06:34.319 --> 01:06:37.319 encourage our proponents to do more 01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:40.599 on that front and when we talk about 01:06:41.200 --> 01:06:43.896 the public art program for Westapto can 01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:45.656 we be mindful that we need to be 01:06:45.680 --> 01:06:48.535 inclusive of DAPO as well because part 01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:50.936 of the challenge of our new communities 01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:53.960 in Westapto will be about them seeing 01:06:54.280 --> 01:06:56.936 themselves and being proud of who they 01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:59.960 are while also helping new DAPTO and 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:02.856 West Dapto those who are new residents 01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:05.880 understand and respect where they are 01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:09.079 and where where other people have come 01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:12.295 so I just wanted to make those 01:07:12.319 --> 01:07:15.319 comments thank you Council Stewart 01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:17.335 for bringing this up because otherwise 01:07:17.359 --> 01:07:19.095 I'd just sit there quietly and not say 01:07:19.119 --> 01:07:21.575 anything and of course that is not my 01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:24.599 style so thank you Council Stewart 01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:26.456 You nearly did your five minutes Well 01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:29.335 done Council Stewart Well thank you 01:07:29.359 --> 01:07:31.416 Councelor Martin I was very pleased to 01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:34.440 bring this up and I echo some of the 01:07:34.640 --> 01:07:36.696 statements in there but I want to say 01:07:36.720 --> 01:07:39.720 also just very briefly as much as I 01:07:40.240 --> 01:07:42.775 enjoyed reading the asset management 01:07:42.799 --> 01:07:45.799 stuff I got to the this item and I 01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:51.095 was just loving all the pictures Sorry 01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:53.575 I'm a bit of a kid at the end of the day 01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:56.599 And moreover I've been you So I just 01:07:56.799 --> 01:07:58.295 wanted to say thank you It was a bit of 01:07:58.319 --> 01:08:00.936 a refresh also thank you for the 01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:02.936 recent sculpture in the gardens which I 01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:05.575 always enjoy But I also wanted to say 01:08:05.599 --> 01:08:08.599 that last Thursday night I was in McCabe 01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:11.416 Park and I'm sure I've walked past Nike 01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:14.440 many times but it had been raining 01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:17.559 and it was twilight and I just saw this 01:08:18.120 --> 01:08:21.120 linous shape there and I'm thinking 01:08:22.080 --> 01:08:23.496 and then I saw it I didn't even know 01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:25.096 what it was called and I saw it in this 01:08:25.120 --> 01:08:26.695 docent and I thought well that's the 01:08:26.719 --> 01:08:28.775 difference that you know some of the 01:08:28.799 --> 01:08:30.695 thinking and all this policy docent 01:08:30.719 --> 01:08:32.695 which looks very dry on paper except for 01:08:32.719 --> 01:08:35.719 the pictures amounts to beautiful 01:08:36.239 --> 01:08:38.295 really moving experiences for people in 01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:40.856 the community which are really important 01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:43.255 So thank you councelor Martin and 01:08:43.279 --> 01:08:45.496 thank you staff for all your work 01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:48.016 Councelor Morris thank you Lord Mayor 01:08:48.040 --> 01:08:51.040 I I like the idea of public art that 01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:54.056 has a way of generating revenue for the 01:08:54.080 --> 01:08:56.376 council and part of the animation side 01:08:56.400 --> 01:08:59.016 of it I believe has merit in it I've had 01:08:59.040 --> 01:09:01.815 an initial meeting with Dr Savage 01:09:01.839 --> 01:09:04.839 around a potential Christmas markets 01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:08.359 in July sort of mindset where we could 01:09:08.400 --> 01:09:11.400 have a pack up and breakdown 01:09:12.319 --> 01:09:14.376 animation light show some of what they 01:09:14.400 --> 01:09:16.695 do in a lot of small towns in in Europe 01:09:16.719 --> 01:09:18.616 but also provide a little bit of a 01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:20.056 festival atmosphere where people can 01:09:20.080 --> 01:09:22.215 come in and get to the food trucks and 01:09:22.239 --> 01:09:24.295 get to a couple of beers in in the area 01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:26.775 or however they choose to partake on 01:09:26.799 --> 01:09:29.799 the night and that way we can also 01:09:29.839 --> 01:09:31.896 help fund some of these art projects and 01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:34.295 community spirit projects So it was 01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:36.936 great to see that this policy had 01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:39.960 some ideas that I believe we can 01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:43.239 generate revenue through art as well as 01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:45.416 increasing our artistic flare 01:09:45.440 --> 01:09:47.655 throughout the throughout the council 01:09:47.679 --> 01:09:50.679 thank you thank you I will since it's 01:09:51.040 --> 01:09:53.335 been bought up I will also add that I 01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:54.695 enjoyed the pretty pictures more than 01:09:54.719 --> 01:09:57.336 the asset management Apologies to our 01:09:57.360 --> 01:10:00.296 colleagues over there but I also want 01:10:00.320 --> 01:10:01.816 to touch on sculpture in the garden 01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:03.816 which has now closed and 01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:05.736 interestingly the people's choice was 01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:08.536 one of the ephemeral prizes so that 01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:10.056 was great to see that that new 01:10:10.080 --> 01:10:12.776 initiative was embraced by our community 01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.800 and then we had over 66,000 people 01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:19.175 attended over the monthlong 01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:22.199 approach six weeks four weeks 4 weeks 01:10:23.440 --> 01:10:25.896 I think last year we had about four 01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:28.536 the two years before 40,000 but that 01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:31.336 was coming out of co but to see 66,000 01:10:31.360 --> 01:10:34.360 people come through our botanic gardens 01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:37.496 and enjoy the I think 18 artworks 01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:39.976 that were on display so I want to 01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:41.416 thank the artists for their 01:10:41.440 --> 01:10:43.976 contribution congratulate the winners 01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:45.655 but also thank all of the botanical 01:10:45.679 --> 01:10:47.976 garden staff that made sure the gardens 01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:50.056 were looking wonderful and our public 01:10:50.080 --> 01:10:53.080 art staff who contributed to that So 01:10:53.280 --> 01:10:55.655 thank you councelor Martin I'm hoping 01:10:55.679 --> 01:10:57.816 you don't need a right of reply She says 01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:00.840 leading the witness 01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:03.896 In that case all those in favor against 01:11:03.920 --> 01:11:06.920 declare that carried thank you 01:11:07.040 --> 01:11:10.040 item seven we have an election 01:11:10.320 --> 01:11:11.816 upon us Lord May I'll move the 01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:14.536 recommendation and nominate council 01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:17.175 Ryan Morris the position thank you 01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:20.199 Seconded by councelor Campbell any 01:11:21.280 --> 01:11:23.695 further discussion needed on 01:11:23.719 --> 01:11:26.456 that no Council Brown you don't need to 01:11:26.480 --> 01:11:27.976 speak further I just briefly if 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:29.175 people won't remember that I put my hand 01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:30.296 up for this on the basis that nobody 01:11:30.320 --> 01:11:31.896 else did and councelor Morris said he's 01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:33.175 got an interest in the area so I'm happy 01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:36.199 to stand aside thank you In that case I 01:11:36.480 --> 01:11:38.936 will put the motion All those in favor 01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:40.776 against declare that carried thank you 01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:42.416 very 01:11:42.440 --> 01:11:45.440 much I think it was item 10 was the 01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:49.159 next that was pulled out of that 01:11:49.320 --> 01:11:51.976 Okay Have someone move item 10 Councelor 01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:54.816 Hayes seconder Councelor Richard 01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:57.456 Martin The speakers for item 01:11:57.480 --> 01:12:00.480 10 Councelor Stewart you pulled this one 01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:02.616 Oh yes I've just scrolled down to my 01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:05.616 notes thank you Lord Mayor 01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:08.640 oh I look I've asked some questions 01:12:09.199 --> 01:12:11.096 of staff already and the answers were 01:12:11.120 --> 01:12:13.256 great but there was one question that 01:12:13.280 --> 01:12:16.215 also came up since then while the 01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:19.016 work is happening what alternative route 01:12:19.040 --> 01:12:21.496 is provided for cyclists around the area 01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:24.520 Is there planning for that miss Paige in 01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:27.880 lie of the general manager 01:12:29.650 --> 01:12:31.096 [Music] 01:12:31.120 --> 01:12:32.496 Someone 01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:34.496 turn thank 01:12:34.520 --> 01:12:36.655 you 01:12:36.679 --> 01:12:39.336 in terms of the alternate 01:12:39.360 --> 01:12:42.360 arrangements for the shared cycle way 01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:45.640 the contractor has or once council 01:12:46.400 --> 01:12:49.400 awards contract we have 21 days for 01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:52.135 the contractor to supply a traffic and 01:12:52.159 --> 01:12:55.159 pedestrian safety plan we have 01:12:57.199 --> 01:12:58.616 made it quite clear that our 01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:00.856 expectations are to make sure that 01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:03.496 pedestrians and cyclists are catered for 01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:05.736 at all times during construction 01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:08.536 There may be a short period where 01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:11.336 there will be some closures but 01:13:11.360 --> 01:13:13.175 alternative routes need to be provided 01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:16.199 during that time thank you 01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:19.496 thank you thank you for that 01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:21.175 answer and also thank you for all the 01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:23.256 other answers to questions earlier in 01:13:23.280 --> 01:13:24.736 the day thanks very 01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:27.760 much No further debate I will put the 01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:30.215 motion All those in favor against 01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:32.175 declare that carriage thank 01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:35.199 you item 16 Council Morris 01:13:37.040 --> 01:13:38.976 thank you Lord May Do you have a 01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:41.976 seconder councelor Doer 01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:45.000 thank you Council Morris Okay just by 01:13:45.679 --> 01:13:47.576 way of background when I was going 01:13:47.600 --> 01:13:49.816 through the election period at the 01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:52.215 council elections last year it was 01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:54.376 spoken to m by multiple people about the 01:13:54.400 --> 01:13:56.135 pension rebate and how it hasn't been 01:13:56.159 --> 01:13:58.416 looked at since 01:13:58.440 --> 01:14:01.440 1993 council has had a voluntary 01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:03.496 rebates 01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:06.135 system in place but it was only 01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:08.296 available to pensioners pre who were on 01:14:08.320 --> 01:14:10.416 the system 01:14:10.440 --> 01:14:13.440 pre994 and there's no voluntary rebate 01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:17.000 additional to the statutory rebate 01:14:17.040 --> 01:14:19.736 done by New South Wales government I 01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:22.760 am looking to get a report on how to 01:14:23.440 --> 01:14:26.440 bring up the voluntary rebate to meet 01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:29.296 new cost of living standards for our 01:14:29.320 --> 01:14:31.655 pensioners A lot of questions I've been 01:14:31.679 --> 01:14:34.376 getting is around why 15 years and at 01:14:34.400 --> 01:14:37.175 the moment this is a report It's not 01:14:37.199 --> 01:14:39.256 I believe 15 years for a reason I'll go 01:14:39.280 --> 01:14:42.280 into a sec but the report will drive 01:14:42.719 --> 01:14:45.256 time and and determine that on on the 01:14:45.280 --> 01:14:48.280 behalf I believe 15 years is there so 01:14:49.280 --> 01:14:50.936 people who have lived and worked in 01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:52.695 Wollongong their entire lives they get 01:14:52.719 --> 01:14:55.296 the opportunity to 01:14:55.320 --> 01:14:58.215 pay into the system and then receive 01:14:58.239 --> 01:15:00.056 from the system when they're no longer 01:15:00.080 --> 01:15:02.856 earning a constant living wage and 01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:04.655 they're living off their pension and or 01:15:04.679 --> 01:15:07.496 superanuation rates keeps going up yet 01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:10.520 they're pay levels may not meet those 01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:13.560 same rate rises So putting in a 01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:16.056 pensioner rebate 01:15:16.080 --> 01:15:18.056 that doesn't allow people just to 01:15:18.080 --> 01:15:20.296 sell up for million-doll houses and move 01:15:20.320 --> 01:15:22.536 to Wooling Gong and have lots of money 01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:23.896 in the bank and then start taking from 01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:25.336 the council when they've never paid into 01:15:25.360 --> 01:15:28.135 it is the reason for the 15 years as 01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:30.135 it will take time to build up their 01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:32.616 equity in the system as I believe you 01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:34.215 must pay into the system before you take 01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:37.239 out of it so the 15 years comes out 01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:41.336 with a basic look at the ad valori 01:15:41.360 --> 01:15:43.896 rate for rates which is currently 01:15:43.920 --> 01:15:46.920 standing at 01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:51.840 0.133753 of what your land value is So 01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:55.336 for ease of numbers a $1 million land 01:15:55.360 --> 01:15:58.360 value property is 01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:03.920 $1,33753 A change to the what is it 01:16:04.719 --> 01:16:07.496 the sixth line of that decimal breakdown 01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:10.520 up by one would change that by $1 to 01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:15.600 $1,33853 which would equate to 80 01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:17.896 roughly $83,000 01:16:17.920 --> 01:16:20.456 into the market based on current 01:16:20.480 --> 01:16:22.616 residential rates And if you were to 01:16:22.640 --> 01:16:25.640 change the fifth decimal point up by 01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:28.616 one that would be a $9 rise on a $1 01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:30.376 million land value property but would 01:16:30.400 --> 01:16:33.215 generate 01:16:33.239 --> 01:16:36.239 $746,757 on the current rates and 01:16:37.040 --> 01:16:40.040 amount of properties That would 01:16:42.280 --> 01:16:45.280 obviously be in my opinion a fair amount 01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:47.256 of money as in a large amount of money 01:16:47.280 --> 01:16:48.616 This is why we need the report to 01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:50.376 understand the exact calculations of of 01:16:50.400 --> 01:16:53.400 how this all works 01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:56.960 I I don't know if a $9 rise is excessive 01:16:58.719 --> 01:17:01.175 or the lot This is why I want would 01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:03.096 like to get commentary from the 01:17:03.120 --> 01:17:06.120 financial team to understand that and 01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:07.736 then we can all as councilors get the 01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:10.215 report and understand how these raises 01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:13.016 would affect it That is if the 01:17:13.040 --> 01:17:15.016 council staff did see this as a way of 01:17:15.040 --> 01:17:17.256 making it cost neutral where paying this 01:17:17.280 --> 01:17:19.976 rates over a couple of decades then 01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:23.000 allows you to get a voluntary rebate 01:17:23.280 --> 01:17:26.280 further down the line So 01:17:26.440 --> 01:17:29.256 I am just using this as an example I'm 01:17:29.280 --> 01:17:31.096 not saying this is what I'm asking the 01:17:31.120 --> 01:17:33.256 financial staff to do but the financial 01:17:33.280 --> 01:17:36.280 staff I believe can put a a way 01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:39.256 forward to try and make this as cost 01:17:39.280 --> 01:17:41.096 neutral as possible as possible so it's 01:17:41.120 --> 01:17:42.936 not just coming out of council's bottom 01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:45.960 line thank you councelor Hayes 01:17:46.480 --> 01:17:48.695 thanks a lot Just a question before I 01:17:48.719 --> 01:17:51.719 debate to council Morris I know some 01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:54.135 of it was like 15 years whether it's 10 01:17:54.159 --> 01:17:56.776 15 20 but have you given thought about 01:17:56.800 --> 01:17:59.576 whether that's a concurrent serving of 01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:02.600 time or it's over x amount I'm just 01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:04.135 wondering if that's been considered 01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:06.536 whether it's 15 years 01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:09.336 in one go or whether they've maybe 01:18:09.360 --> 01:18:12.360 done 15 years over a number of time 01:18:12.560 --> 01:18:15.560 periods 01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:18.456 That was to you Council Morris Yeah 01:18:18.480 --> 01:18:20.056 do I answer it now before I wait for a 01:18:20.080 --> 01:18:23.080 right reply yeah you can wait for wait 01:18:24.320 --> 01:18:27.320 so just my my comments I'd like to 01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:29.016 like to thank Council Morris for 01:18:29.040 --> 01:18:30.376 bringing this forward and especially 01:18:30.400 --> 01:18:31.816 focusing on the cost neutrality when 01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:33.256 we've spoken about this That's certainly 01:18:33.280 --> 01:18:35.336 something I've I've raised that's been a 01:18:35.360 --> 01:18:37.976 key part for to even consider looking at 01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:41.000 what this may or may not be but I 01:18:41.440 --> 01:18:42.456 want to make sure that the cost 01:18:42.480 --> 01:18:45.256 neutrality isn't just around potentially 01:18:45.280 --> 01:18:48.280 the foregone rates It's also about the 01:18:48.719 --> 01:18:51.416 cost of implementing a system to do it 01:18:51.440 --> 01:18:52.936 And sometimes that can be forgotten 01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:54.416 about 01:18:54.440 --> 01:18:56.655 you know 01:18:56.679 --> 01:18:59.679 it's a rebate scheme potentially also 01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:03.000 funded by an increase in in charges 01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:06.616 may be actually offsetting what what 01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:09.016 Council Morris is trying to achieve here 01:19:09.040 --> 01:19:11.096 if we're looking at ways to pay for 01:19:11.120 --> 01:19:13.976 the staff the systems and the like of 01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:16.296 managing a system whether whatever it 01:19:16.320 --> 01:19:18.616 may be So I think that neutrality isn't 01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:20.695 just the rates but also the cost of it 01:19:20.719 --> 01:19:23.016 and for whatever comes from this that 01:19:23.040 --> 01:19:26.040 should be considered too also just 01:19:26.480 --> 01:19:27.736 want to highlight that that those that 01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:29.256 have been paying rates for however how 01:19:29.280 --> 01:19:30.215 long they're living here whether it's 01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:31.976 been a year or a lot longer do get 01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:33.576 something out of that they get the 01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:36.600 services the roads the the recreation 01:19:37.199 --> 01:19:39.336 facilities the libraries everything else 01:19:39.360 --> 01:19:42.360 and we know rates doesn't pay 01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:44.695 doesn't cover everything we need to do 01:19:44.719 --> 01:19:46.536 anyway in council So people are always 01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:47.736 getting more than what they're paying 01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:50.215 into but I thank Council Morris for 01:19:50.239 --> 01:19:51.736 bringing this forward I look forward to 01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:53.576 to the debate and if it goes forward 01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:56.600 hearing from from staff around what 01:19:56.800 --> 01:19:59.655 are the options the costs and how we can 01:19:59.679 --> 01:20:01.576 make it work or if we can at all thank 01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:03.896 you thank you Councelor Richard Martin 01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:06.920 thank you Lord Mayor there's probably 01:20:07.199 --> 01:20:09.336 not a person in this room that wouldn't 01:20:09.360 --> 01:20:11.336 like to increase the rebate for 01:20:11.360 --> 01:20:13.496 pensioners and there's probably not a 01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:16.135 pensioner out there in the LGA that 01:20:16.159 --> 01:20:17.976 wouldn't want us to spend money to 01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:19.776 prevent their house from being flooded 01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:22.456 again I know some people that as soon as 01:20:22.480 --> 01:20:25.480 it rains they start getting upset We 01:20:25.840 --> 01:20:28.776 can't do both We've got to be looking 01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:31.736 after our assets and ensuring things I'd 01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:33.256 just like to ask a couple of questions 01:20:33.280 --> 01:20:36.280 of staff if I may Lord Mayor how many 01:20:36.480 --> 01:20:38.856 properties in the LGA actually receive 01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:40.936 pension or rebate 01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:43.960 general manager Mr Jenkins 01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:46.135 through you general manager Around 01:20:46.159 --> 01:20:47.896 just short of three 13 and a half 01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:49.416 thousand 01:20:49.440 --> 01:20:52.440 thank you how much does that cost 01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:54.215 council 01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:56.016 general manager Mr 01:20:56.040 --> 01:20:59.040 Jenkins I need to check my records on 01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:01.936 this but 01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:04.296 you might have a better idea of that 01:21:04.320 --> 01:21:07.320 than me at the moment Can I check 3.5 is 01:21:07.520 --> 01:21:10.215 it sorry I know I had the figure on the 01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:11.816 weekend but I've just lost it for the 01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:14.840 moment maybe I'll just check the 01:21:16.440 --> 01:21:19.440 records Hopefully 01:21:22.239 --> 01:21:24.616 Yeah So to to just look at that the the 01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:27.640 total cost is about $3.4 million 01:21:28.480 --> 01:21:30.296 council doesn't pay for all of that in 01:21:30.320 --> 01:21:32.616 that we get a rebate from the the state 01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:34.376 and federal governments that is about 01:21:34.400 --> 01:21:37.400 $1.9 million So the the program is a a 01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:39.816 mandatory program set under the local 01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:41.496 government act So it's funded primarily 01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:44.520 by by state government to 50% 5% by 01:21:45.360 --> 01:21:47.096 the federal government and then 01:21:47.120 --> 01:21:50.120 council's cost is around $1.5 million 01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:52.456 Okay Net cost 01:21:52.480 --> 01:21:55.480 and as the motion states it wants 01:21:56.080 --> 01:21:58.536 to make it costneutral Do the staff have 01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:00.296 any opinions on how they think that 01:22:00.320 --> 01:22:03.320 could be achieved general Manager 01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:07.239 Mr Jenkins through you General 01:22:07.440 --> 01:22:09.655 Manager I think we'd need to look at 01:22:09.679 --> 01:22:12.576 options for that and I guess the 01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:15.496 neutrality as discussed previously is 01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:17.736 about the bottom line impact on the the 01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:20.760 whole cost so we'd work through that 01:22:21.040 --> 01:22:23.576 in a report back or to a a briefing 01:22:23.600 --> 01:22:25.576 to council at that time I don't have the 01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:27.976 answers at this point in time If I could 01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:31.000 add councelor what we'd also do to 01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:34.056 councelor Hayes's point is just look at 01:22:34.080 --> 01:22:37.080 a full cost activity costing So we'd 01:22:37.280 --> 01:22:39.896 also include in that the cost of 01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:42.056 research assessment 01:22:42.080 --> 01:22:45.080 collection and administering that 01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:47.816 just to ensure that it was cost 01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:50.695 neutrality as well 01:22:50.719 --> 01:22:53.719 thank you thank you Lord May 01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:57.159 Councelor Campbell thanks Lord May 01:22:57.520 --> 01:22:59.816 just a couple of things I'm certainly 01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:02.376 happy to receive a report but can we 01:23:02.400 --> 01:23:05.400 also include in that how we might look 01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:08.376 after renters given that we've got about 01:23:08.400 --> 01:23:10.615 30% of Australians who currently rent 01:23:10.639 --> 01:23:12.215 properties and if I've rented here for 01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:15.239 40 years you know do I get something 01:23:15.440 --> 01:23:18.296 out of this how does that work so can we 01:23:18.320 --> 01:23:21.320 include that as well and can we also 01:23:21.360 --> 01:23:23.816 link it to our existing hardship policy 01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:25.896 and the other policies that we have in 01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:28.856 place where we support people who are 01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:31.880 having financial issues so that it's not 01:23:32.080 --> 01:23:34.936 just a a thing It's a much broader 01:23:34.960 --> 01:23:36.776 report Council Campbell are you 01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:39.800 including that as a variation that 01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:43.336 way the staff have a clear indication Oh 01:23:43.360 --> 01:23:46.360 hold on No thank you if councelor 01:23:47.679 --> 01:23:50.679 Morris is happy to have that as a as 01:23:52.400 --> 01:23:55.400 a variation or an additional point Yes 01:23:55.760 --> 01:23:56.936 more than happy to have additional 01:23:56.960 --> 01:23:58.376 points The more information we get on 01:23:58.400 --> 01:24:00.376 this report the more substantial it 01:24:00.400 --> 01:24:01.896 is the better off we're going to be 01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:04.536 thank you Council Docker You seconded it 01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:06.096 That's fine thank you 01:24:06.120 --> 01:24:09.120 you right to 01:24:09.520 --> 01:24:12.376 They're looking black It was Sorry 01:24:12.400 --> 01:24:14.536 Councelor Campbell 01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:16.615 Can you just smarize the points to 01:24:16.639 --> 01:24:19.639 include so staff can capture it that the 01:24:19.679 --> 01:24:22.536 that the report include existing 01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:25.560 policies including our hardship policy 01:24:25.760 --> 01:24:27.976 any other policies that assist people 01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:30.776 who are experiencing financial hardship 01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:33.800 that we offer and to include a way that 01:24:34.639 --> 01:24:37.639 renters may be included 01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:43.159 Okay I don't know Councelor Docker thank 01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:47.560 you everyone Sorry just a moment General 01:24:47.679 --> 01:24:50.135 manager just with the councilors just 01:24:50.159 --> 01:24:53.159 with the expanded scope it's it isn't 01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:55.976 usual for us to include a time frame 01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:59.000 often in terms of the return of of 01:25:00.480 --> 01:25:03.416 reports and I'm not able to put this to 01:25:03.440 --> 01:25:06.440 you as the mover Yeah But I just as part 01:25:07.120 --> 01:25:08.936 of the debate if you could just consider 01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:11.456 the timing if that's okay thank you 01:25:11.480 --> 01:25:14.135 Council Docker I just want to rise and 01:25:14.159 --> 01:25:15.416 speak in support of this motion and 01:25:15.440 --> 01:25:16.776 thank Councelor Morris for bringing it 01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:19.096 forward but I just want to continue 01:25:19.120 --> 01:25:21.175 to emphasize the point made by Councelor 01:25:21.199 --> 01:25:24.199 Campbell that although this is very 01:25:24.960 --> 01:25:27.175 well-intentioned the people in our 01:25:27.199 --> 01:25:29.256 society who are most at risk are 01:25:29.280 --> 01:25:32.135 renters and as it currently stands 01:25:32.159 --> 01:25:34.456 without that variation this will not 01:25:34.480 --> 01:25:36.296 help them and just to make the point 01:25:36.320 --> 01:25:37.976 clear a report by the Australian 01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:40.215 Council of Social Services in 01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:41.816 collaboration with the University of New 01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:44.215 South Wales found that 10% of all 01:25:44.239 --> 01:25:46.056 Australians over 65 are living in 01:25:46.080 --> 01:25:47.655 poverty So there is a point to this 01:25:47.679 --> 01:25:50.376 motion However that increases all the 01:25:50.400 --> 01:25:53.175 way up to almost 50% when we take 01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:56.199 into account people aged over 65 who 01:25:56.560 --> 01:25:58.695 are renters I also made the point to 01:25:58.719 --> 01:26:01.256 reach out to some of my to consult 01:26:01.280 --> 01:26:02.536 with some of the frontline homeless 01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:05.416 services and they reiterated this 01:26:05.440 --> 01:26:07.655 point those who presented to them are 01:26:07.679 --> 01:26:09.976 renters older women or or single 01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:13.000 mothers with children however I 01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:15.736 won't let the perfect be the enemy of 01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:17.096 the good and at the end of the day we're 01:26:17.120 --> 01:26:19.175 just receiving a report so I support 01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:21.175 this motion thank you Council Morris can 01:26:21.199 --> 01:26:22.615 you just take turn your light off thank 01:26:22.639 --> 01:26:25.639 you Council Brown 01:26:25.920 --> 01:26:28.920 thank you Lord Mayor Can I start 01:26:29.679 --> 01:26:31.496 by asking some questions of staff as 01:26:31.520 --> 01:26:34.376 well this this promotion raises a 01:26:34.400 --> 01:26:35.655 whole number of questions I don't know 01:26:35.679 --> 01:26:37.296 if we'll get through them all here today 01:26:37.320 --> 01:26:39.816 we have a a database of land 01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:41.336 ownership We know who owns the land in 01:26:41.360 --> 01:26:43.655 the city Do we have any idea who our 01:26:43.679 --> 01:26:46.679 residents are general management 01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:49.896 Mr Jenkins through through your general 01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:52.456 manager We we only keep records on the 01:26:52.480 --> 01:26:55.480 owners of properties at a point in time 01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:59.000 so so renters and and other occupiers 01:26:59.440 --> 01:27:02.440 of homes we don't have record of 01:27:02.639 --> 01:27:05.256 Okay I make that point because there 01:27:05.280 --> 01:27:06.536 will be people who are pensioners who 01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:08.056 own land in the city who do not live in 01:27:08.080 --> 01:27:10.376 this city and in that case we would if 01:27:10.400 --> 01:27:11.816 this were to go forward and the matter 01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:13.976 suggested we'd be providing some sort of 01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:15.416 relief to people who are not residents 01:27:15.440 --> 01:27:17.416 of the city of Wingong I find that 01:27:17.440 --> 01:27:20.296 worrying This is true can I ask 01:27:20.320 --> 01:27:23.096 another question if somebody's a land 01:27:23.120 --> 01:27:25.936 owner they move from suburb A to suburb 01:27:25.960 --> 01:27:28.695 B do we keep a database that that person 01:27:28.719 --> 01:27:31.376 has made such a move general 01:27:31.400 --> 01:27:34.400 Manager Council Mr Jenkins your turn 01:27:35.840 --> 01:27:38.840 Through through you Lord Mayor so so 01:27:38.880 --> 01:27:40.856 our database keeps names against 01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:43.816 property So so we have perfect record of 01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:46.376 name and property the same owner who 01:27:46.400 --> 01:27:49.096 owns another property We can sometimes 01:27:49.120 --> 01:27:51.175 make assptions about that but we don't 01:27:51.199 --> 01:27:53.336 have other verifying information against 01:27:53.360 --> 01:27:56.296 a pension against a pensioner We do 01:27:56.320 --> 01:27:58.056 in that they will have a pension number 01:27:58.080 --> 01:28:00.695 that is verifiable if they move 01:28:00.719 --> 01:28:02.135 properties If we have an owner that 01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:03.576 moves property we don't have a 01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:05.816 verifiable database that says that is 01:28:05.840 --> 01:28:07.336 the same owner that moves from there to 01:28:07.360 --> 01:28:09.816 there just by name we don't have date 01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:11.496 of birth we don't have license numbers 01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:12.615 we don't have anything else that will 01:28:12.639 --> 01:28:15.576 verify an owner So so our database is 01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:18.215 true at a point in time for a a land and 01:28:18.239 --> 01:28:21.239 owner match only So there'd be quite a 01:28:22.400 --> 01:28:25.400 bit of work trying to trace owners and 01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:26.856 particularly owners who are not 01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:29.880 pensioners moving into pensions and 01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:31.816 owners who move from house to house We 01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:33.016 could make assptions around that but 01:28:33.040 --> 01:28:35.896 our database won't provide that for us 01:28:35.920 --> 01:28:37.336 thank you It seems to me this might be 01:28:37.360 --> 01:28:39.016 very hard to implement in equitable way 01:28:39.040 --> 01:28:42.040 can I ask a third question we've 01:28:42.080 --> 01:28:43.896 got a scheme where people who are doing 01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:45.736 it tough can effectively defer their 01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:47.976 rates not pay them and comes out of the 01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:50.296 that house should be sold or or 01:28:50.320 --> 01:28:52.296 passed on to the next of kin How many 01:28:52.320 --> 01:28:54.615 people take up that or are presently in 01:28:54.639 --> 01:28:57.639 that scheme general manager Mr Jenkins 01:28:57.760 --> 01:28:59.655 through your general manager I don't 01:28:59.679 --> 01:29:01.736 have the the numbers on that I'd have to 01:29:01.760 --> 01:29:04.760 provide that to you Sorry lord me can 01:29:05.120 --> 01:29:06.615 I suggest it might be a variation It 01:29:06.639 --> 01:29:09.336 might have to be an amendment it's 01:29:09.360 --> 01:29:11.336 keeping the same sort of background and 01:29:11.360 --> 01:29:13.175 the same sort of concept here which is 01:29:13.199 --> 01:29:14.776 let's get some more information on this 01:29:14.800 --> 01:29:16.215 and the the amendment or perhaps 01:29:16.239 --> 01:29:18.376 variation is that a council briefing be 01:29:18.400 --> 01:29:19.976 held to provide councils with background 01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:22.536 information on and options for policy 01:29:22.560 --> 01:29:25.560 responses to pensioner relief seems 01:29:26.719 --> 01:29:28.376 that the briefing include data on the 01:29:28.400 --> 01:29:30.615 current rel relief rate relief and 01:29:30.639 --> 01:29:33.016 hardship provisions and options to lobby 01:29:33.040 --> 01:29:34.536 other levels of government to assist 01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:37.560 pensioners in this area 01:29:38.199 --> 01:29:41.199 happy to if it's not acceptable as a 01:29:41.920 --> 01:29:43.256 variation I'll run as amendment but 01:29:43.280 --> 01:29:46.280 that's Yep Council Morris to accept that 01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:49.880 as a variation 01:29:50.639 --> 01:29:53.336 Part of the reason why and this is 01:29:53.360 --> 01:29:54.695 not the right or reply but part of the 01:29:54.719 --> 01:29:57.655 reason why I've put it up is that 01:29:57.679 --> 01:29:59.576 there's already a standard policy 01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:01.336 I've been led to believe so please don't 01:30:01.360 --> 01:30:02.456 quote me on it but it's something along 01:30:02.480 --> 01:30:05.480 the lines of that we already do have 01:30:05.679 --> 01:30:08.679 a policy of lobbying and it's we haven't 01:30:08.880 --> 01:30:10.536 got there yet If I'm not quite right 01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:13.016 there please correct me I just I've 01:30:13.040 --> 01:30:14.215 got no problems with lobbying other 01:30:14.239 --> 01:30:16.296 levels of government to pay for it but 01:30:16.320 --> 01:30:19.320 it's it's one of the things that the 01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:21.416 one of the state members has said it's 01:30:21.440 --> 01:30:23.736 not a state issue It's a council issue 01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:25.416 which is why I've brought it up at 01:30:25.440 --> 01:30:28.440 council I think states paying 50% of it 01:30:28.639 --> 01:30:30.856 So I think they have interest in it I'm 01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:33.736 only going for the state member stated 01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:36.376 So where we're at is are you accepting 01:30:36.400 --> 01:30:39.400 it as a variation 01:30:40.480 --> 01:30:42.296 you can leave it as an amendment Yep 01:30:42.320 --> 01:30:44.296 Yeah I'll accept it as a All right thank 01:30:44.320 --> 01:30:47.320 you thank you for that and I think 01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:49.175 there's a deal of work we need to know 01:30:49.199 --> 01:30:51.496 about this As Council Morris read out 01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:53.016 the numbers there it seemed to me that 01:30:53.040 --> 01:30:55.016 if we're increasing the rates to provide 01:30:55.040 --> 01:30:56.776 some pool of money that perhaps goes for 01:30:56.800 --> 01:30:59.496 relief to pensioners we pretty much 01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:02.520 always the total rate cap the highest 01:31:02.880 --> 01:31:05.336 rate cap they give us So the only way 01:31:05.360 --> 01:31:07.416 you can generate that funds would be not 01:31:07.440 --> 01:31:08.856 doing something else I might be getting 01:31:08.880 --> 01:31:10.856 it wrong but that's the way I see it So 01:31:10.880 --> 01:31:12.736 this will not be in that 01:31:12.760 --> 01:31:15.655 sense revenue neutral It will be 01:31:15.679 --> 01:31:16.936 something will be forgotten if we go 01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:18.776 this way I guess behind this is even 01:31:18.800 --> 01:31:20.056 bigger philosophy about what we think 01:31:20.080 --> 01:31:23.016 the role of the public sector is 01:31:23.040 --> 01:31:25.496 taxes are not a fee for service 01:31:25.520 --> 01:31:27.175 they're not transactional relationship 01:31:27.199 --> 01:31:28.536 They're to provide public goods for the 01:31:28.560 --> 01:31:31.416 community benefit the way I see it So 01:31:31.440 --> 01:31:33.736 I can see the idea behind this is let's 01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:36.695 try and help pensions out if we can 01:31:36.719 --> 01:31:37.936 on the same 01:31:37.960 --> 01:31:40.615 token pensions are pretty much 01:31:40.639 --> 01:31:43.576 understood to be the the grounds and the 01:31:43.600 --> 01:31:45.576 remit of the federal government I'm 01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:46.695 not going to put my hand up for cost 01:31:46.719 --> 01:31:49.576 shifting if I can get away with it so 01:31:49.600 --> 01:31:50.695 anyway I think there's a deal of 01:31:50.719 --> 01:31:52.215 information we need to make here to get 01:31:52.239 --> 01:31:54.695 make a evidence-based decision on this 01:31:54.719 --> 01:31:56.135 It may well be there are other options 01:31:56.159 --> 01:31:57.256 we don't know about I don't know if 01:31:57.280 --> 01:31:58.456 other councils have got schemes that 01:31:58.480 --> 01:32:00.056 that could be useful to consider and 01:32:00.080 --> 01:32:03.080 investigate nonetheless I think our 01:32:03.360 --> 01:32:05.976 hardship scheme is quite a generous one 01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:07.496 Don't don't tell too many people but you 01:32:07.520 --> 01:32:08.456 don't have to pay rates if you don't 01:32:08.480 --> 01:32:10.456 want to Just there's a cost to the 01:32:10.480 --> 01:32:11.736 your your land should you have a 01:32:11.760 --> 01:32:14.215 transaction thereafter So there are some 01:32:14.239 --> 01:32:15.576 options here to help people who are 01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:17.896 genuinely in need I really don't know 01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:20.135 how we could possibly administer the 15 01:32:20.159 --> 01:32:22.296 years but maybe we can I don't know 01:32:22.320 --> 01:32:25.320 Let's get the information 01:32:25.440 --> 01:32:28.440 just briefly I'm happy that that 01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:31.256 variation was accepted by councelor 01:32:31.280 --> 01:32:33.655 Morris because I had genuine concerns 01:32:33.679 --> 01:32:36.215 about the 15-year as being highly 01:32:36.239 --> 01:32:38.376 inequitable for people who had moved 01:32:38.400 --> 01:32:39.655 into here from Shell Harour to 01:32:39.679 --> 01:32:42.056 Wollongong moved around and in the 01:32:42.080 --> 01:32:43.976 background information about hefty bank 01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:46.296 balances we don't have visibility 01:32:46.320 --> 01:32:49.256 into that So I had concerns on how we 01:32:49.280 --> 01:32:51.256 would administer that But I'm really 01:32:51.280 --> 01:32:53.016 pleased to have the conversation about 01:32:53.040 --> 01:32:56.040 what more can we do to assist our 01:32:56.400 --> 01:32:58.376 pensioners particularly looking at our 01:32:58.400 --> 01:33:00.695 hardship policy Great to do a a 01:33:00.719 --> 01:33:03.096 competitor scan of other councils to see 01:33:03.120 --> 01:33:05.655 what else is out there so if we can 01:33:05.679 --> 01:33:07.976 relieve that burden I I had concerns 01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:10.456 about how the cost neutrality would work 01:33:10.480 --> 01:33:11.896 because at the end of the day someone 01:33:11.920 --> 01:33:13.816 has to pay whether it's as council 01:33:13.840 --> 01:33:15.816 councelor Hayes flagged in fees and 01:33:15.840 --> 01:33:18.215 charges that have to go up someone 01:33:18.239 --> 01:33:20.856 there's always winners and losers but 01:33:20.880 --> 01:33:23.655 I think this way we're able to do 01:33:23.679 --> 01:33:26.376 that exercise assure ourselves that 01:33:26.400 --> 01:33:28.536 we're doing best for the members of our 01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:30.936 community that need assistance and I 01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:32.936 I share councelor Docker's concern It is 01:33:32.960 --> 01:33:35.960 the renters who are continuing to suffer 01:33:36.080 --> 01:33:38.135 in a city that it's increasingly hard 01:33:38.159 --> 01:33:40.376 to find rental accommodation I'll 01:33:40.400 --> 01:33:42.056 leave it at that Council Morris write a 01:33:42.080 --> 01:33:43.976 reply yes thank you Lord Mayor 01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:45.336 just to go through some of the points I 01:33:45.360 --> 01:33:46.615 brought up and thank you very much for 01:33:46.639 --> 01:33:48.936 the constructive conversation is 01:33:48.960 --> 01:33:51.256 really appreciated cuz it helps me 01:33:51.280 --> 01:33:54.280 form the thought even more 01:33:54.480 --> 01:33:57.480 concurrent or continuous once again 01:33:57.679 --> 01:33:59.816 remember I'm asking for a report so I am 01:33:59.840 --> 01:34:01.816 asking a lot of the council staff here 01:34:01.840 --> 01:34:03.816 to come back whether it's concurrent or 01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:05.816 continuous I would say it was continuous 01:34:05.840 --> 01:34:08.536 but also I'm not wedded to the 15 years 01:34:08.560 --> 01:34:10.456 15 years was the number the report I 01:34:10.480 --> 01:34:11.976 believe would come back with a fair 01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:15.000 number on that but I would make it 01:34:15.600 --> 01:34:18.600 definitely concurrent if I was putting 01:34:18.719 --> 01:34:21.336 that forward the implementing costs 01:34:21.360 --> 01:34:23.175 we already have a voluntary rebate 01:34:23.199 --> 01:34:25.816 scheme in council that tracks this sort 01:34:25.840 --> 01:34:28.840 of stuff The implementing 01:34:29.040 --> 01:34:30.856 implementation of this should be 01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:33.880 relatively low in that that people 01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:37.016 can easily go on to the council website 01:34:37.040 --> 01:34:39.496 and already sign up to the pensioner 01:34:39.520 --> 01:34:42.520 rebates without too much trouble and 01:34:42.639 --> 01:34:45.576 the council's organized that within one 01:34:45.600 --> 01:34:48.416 rate cycle as in one 01:34:48.440 --> 01:34:51.440 installment the voluntary rebate 01:34:52.560 --> 01:34:55.560 relief is as a currently sorry the 01:34:56.000 --> 01:34:58.215 the statutory rebate relief is currently 01:34:58.239 --> 01:35:00.376 on primary house only If you own 01:35:00.400 --> 01:35:01.816 investment properties you don't get 01:35:01.840 --> 01:35:04.376 relief across the entire lot So for 01:35:04.400 --> 01:35:05.976 homeowners who own multiple homes or 01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:08.536 homeowners who own land in this area 01:35:08.560 --> 01:35:10.135 and live somewhere else they are not 01:35:10.159 --> 01:35:12.695 entitled to the pension or rebate as it 01:35:12.719 --> 01:35:15.256 stands under legislation So you must 01:35:15.280 --> 01:35:16.856 live in that house to receive that 01:35:16.880 --> 01:35:19.880 rebate That's the way it is And I just 01:35:21.440 --> 01:35:23.496 want to reiterate I'm asking for the 01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:26.520 report so we can have that 01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:30.880 infor I knew full well that the staff 01:35:31.840 --> 01:35:33.576 would not have a lot of these answers 01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:36.600 That's why I put it up for a report So 01:35:37.120 --> 01:35:38.776 thank you very much and I really do hope 01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:40.615 you can support this so we can get 01:35:40.639 --> 01:35:42.376 better vision on it thank you thank you 01:35:42.400 --> 01:35:44.456 Council Morris Just to reiterate that 01:35:44.480 --> 01:35:47.056 you've accepted Councelor Brown's 01:35:47.080 --> 01:35:50.056 variation So the motion there is now for 01:35:50.080 --> 01:35:51.976 a briefing to be held Finding council's 01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:53.336 background information on the options 01:35:53.360 --> 01:35:56.360 policy responses etc there Okay Yes 01:35:57.360 --> 01:36:00.360 Great all right I will put the motion 01:36:00.400 --> 01:36:03.175 All those in favor against declare that 01:36:03.199 --> 01:36:06.199 carried thank you everyone Item 17 01:36:10.320 --> 01:36:12.536 Council Campbell moving that Yes I know 01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:14.135 you're all waiting to hear Councelor 01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:17.159 Hayes is seconding How you have a 01:36:17.960 --> 01:36:19.536 non-pecuniary 01:36:19.560 --> 01:36:21.816 non-significant potential perceived 01:36:21.840 --> 01:36:24.615 conflict of interest What you do is you 01:36:24.639 --> 01:36:27.639 go as a volunteer and appear on a film 01:36:28.320 --> 01:36:31.096 set So if you're in cinemas soon seeing 01:36:31.120 --> 01:36:34.120 Carmon and Belude you'll see a woman 01:36:34.239 --> 01:36:36.776 with a head that looks just like that on 01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:39.800 the big screen That was done as a job of 01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:42.936 love as is has been all of my 01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:45.960 involvement as a volunteer extra only 01:36:47.360 --> 01:36:50.360 once in a local movie Now back in 2019 I 01:36:50.800 --> 01:36:53.800 did get paid to appear in a 01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:56.880 film and by some 01:36:57.960 --> 01:37:00.960 magnificent lack of thinking volunteered 01:37:01.520 --> 01:37:04.520 to give my feedback as an investment and 01:37:05.040 --> 01:37:08.040 become a shareholder in one of the 01:37:08.159 --> 01:37:10.215 movies that was shot in Sydney that 01:37:10.239 --> 01:37:12.856 tanked big time and I lost all my money 01:37:12.880 --> 01:37:15.336 So there you go So I don't see any 01:37:15.360 --> 01:37:17.736 pecuniary interest in this notice of 01:37:17.760 --> 01:37:20.615 motion or any conflict of interest But 01:37:20.639 --> 01:37:23.175 just in case you thought "Hang on didn't 01:37:23.199 --> 01:37:25.976 she do something on a movie once?" There 01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:28.856 now it's explained Normally when the 01:37:28.880 --> 01:37:31.496 state government forced something else 01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:34.376 on us I'm the first one to grble and 01:37:34.400 --> 01:37:36.296 go here we go Now what are they 01:37:36.320 --> 01:37:39.320 expecting this time I'm going okay let's 01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:42.615 get on the front foot Let's ask for a 01:37:42.639 --> 01:37:44.456 seat at the table when we're developing 01:37:44.480 --> 01:37:45.296 the 01:37:45.320 --> 01:37:47.896 guidelines so that we're there so we 01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:49.655 don't end up with something that's going 01:37:49.679 --> 01:37:51.816 to make it really difficult for our 01:37:51.840 --> 01:37:54.056 staff to keep doing what they already do 01:37:54.080 --> 01:37:57.016 so well when it comes to assisting the 01:37:57.040 --> 01:38:00.040 screen industries to film in our city 01:38:00.239 --> 01:38:03.016 But it's also about let's put Wollongong 01:38:03.040 --> 01:38:06.040 in a place where we are somewhere that's 01:38:07.600 --> 01:38:10.135 in there early and so that people look 01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:12.296 at us and go yes they're a city that 01:38:12.320 --> 01:38:15.320 wants us there We've seen the interest 01:38:15.440 --> 01:38:18.440 We know that we have the great local 01:38:18.960 --> 01:38:21.960 We saw the interest with the screen tour 01:38:22.639 --> 01:38:25.496 that we hosted earlier this year Was 01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:28.520 it last year not long ago Yeah Not that 01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:33.000 long ago was in this decade Yeah 01:38:34.239 --> 01:38:37.239 and and we we also have a great number 01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:42.119 of people who have like an amazing 01:38:43.360 --> 01:38:46.360 background be it as directors producers 01:38:46.679 --> 01:38:49.016 cinematographers electricians all of 01:38:49.040 --> 01:38:52.040 those people and a lot of them have got 01:38:52.920 --> 01:38:55.920 great experience on film that 01:38:57.199 --> 01:39:00.199 screen Illawarrara serves so well to bring 01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:03.416 those people together with people that 01:39:03.440 --> 01:39:06.215 are looking for crews I think this is a 01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:09.239 win for everyone and it would give me 01:39:10.080 --> 01:39:12.856 great pleasure to see Wollongong as a 01:39:12.880 --> 01:39:15.880 really early one If we if we're able to 01:39:16.480 --> 01:39:19.416 and if that gives us an advantage to set 01:39:19.440 --> 01:39:21.736 up and strengthen our industry here over 01:39:21.760 --> 01:39:24.536 somewhere else then we need to go for it 01:39:24.560 --> 01:39:26.456 thank you Council Richard Martin thank 01:39:26.480 --> 01:39:28.536 you thank you Lord May I'd like to thank 01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:30.615 Councelor Campbell and her excellent 01:39:30.639 --> 01:39:33.639 acting skills in those TV series that 01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:36.776 you've been in I congratulate the the 01:39:36.800 --> 01:39:39.095 state government on this bill and I also 01:39:39.119 --> 01:39:41.175 think it's fantastic that we can be a 01:39:41.199 --> 01:39:44.199 first state ranking local 01:39:44.400 --> 01:39:47.016 government area this industry the 01:39:47.040 --> 01:39:49.215 screen industry in 01:39:49.239 --> 01:39:52.239 2122 will brought about $1.1 billion to 01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:55.800 the state economy and wages were 1.2 01:39:56.960 --> 01:39:59.960 billion and businesses generated $4.8 01:40:01.000 --> 01:40:04.000 billion 50% of the filming that 01:40:05.520 --> 01:40:06.936 happens in Australia happens in New 01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:09.016 South Wales And it was really funny 01:40:09.040 --> 01:40:11.416 because as this paper arrived on my desk 01:40:11.440 --> 01:40:14.440 just the day before I was in in Cormal 01:40:14.560 --> 01:40:16.376 and this guy was walking the street and 01:40:16.400 --> 01:40:18.456 he said " can you tell me where that 01:40:18.480 --> 01:40:21.135 famous bridge is one in the 01:40:21.159 --> 01:40:23.336 commercials?" And I said "Not a problem 01:40:23.360 --> 01:40:25.256 Just keep driving You won't be able to 01:40:25.280 --> 01:40:27.896 miss up the cliff." And he didn't even 01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:29.736 know the name of it but he knew it was 01:40:29.760 --> 01:40:32.056 in Mulong And he'd driven all the way up 01:40:32.080 --> 01:40:34.695 from Melbourne and it was quite quite 01:40:34.719 --> 01:40:36.936 unique that everyone is doing that So I 01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:38.776 think it's fantastic that we are going 01:40:38.800 --> 01:40:41.095 to put ourselves forward and I know that 01:40:41.119 --> 01:40:43.416 councelor Anne Martin has been working 01:40:43.440 --> 01:40:45.976 for a very long time to get some studios 01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:49.000 built down there at the blue scope 01:40:49.040 --> 01:40:51.496 works and we know that the studios on 01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:54.215 the G coast and in Melbourne are 01:40:54.239 --> 01:40:56.695 booked out all the time and us being 01:40:56.719 --> 01:40:58.776 an option would be absolutely fantastic 01:40:58.800 --> 01:41:01.800 to go alongside our cruise terminal 01:41:02.960 --> 01:41:05.016 council Morris thank you Lord 01:41:05.040 --> 01:41:07.175 Mayor Yeah one I would like to thank 01:41:07.199 --> 01:41:08.776 deputy Lord Mayor for bringing up his 01:41:08.800 --> 01:41:11.800 motion one of the favorite things 01:41:12.159 --> 01:41:15.159 a lot of families up north do is we 01:41:15.440 --> 01:41:16.936 host a lot of international people 01:41:16.960 --> 01:41:19.496 coming around and we love taking them to 01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:21.896 all the sites where the films are being 01:41:21.920 --> 01:41:24.695 done especially to Helensburg and 01:41:24.719 --> 01:41:26.695 showing them the planet of the apes and 01:41:26.719 --> 01:41:27.816 see how far they can walk down the 01:41:27.840 --> 01:41:30.376 glowworm tunnel before they decide 01:41:30.400 --> 01:41:32.776 it's just a little bit too much for them 01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:35.800 and also the Sea Cliff Bridge is an 01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:38.856 amazing area that as Council Martin just 01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:40.776 mentioned gets a lot of international 01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:42.056 play and we get to see that every 01:41:42.080 --> 01:41:45.080 weekend by tour buses coming down and 01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:46.776 just so people can walk it and get 01:41:46.800 --> 01:41:49.175 photos on it So getting this 01:41:49.199 --> 01:41:51.496 accreditation up as early as possible to 01:41:51.520 --> 01:41:53.896 help get more people into the area 01:41:53.920 --> 01:41:55.655 and understanding it and and enjoying 01:41:55.679 --> 01:41:58.679 the area I think it's a great idea 01:42:03.520 --> 01:42:05.736 thank you Lord Mayor I just also 01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:07.496 want to rise and thank the deputy lord 01:42:07.520 --> 01:42:10.520 Mayor for putting forward this motion 01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:12.376 there's a lot of good things about 01:42:12.400 --> 01:42:15.095 it and we know that other cities 01:42:15.119 --> 01:42:18.119 around the state are pursuing this 01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:21.175 as well I I note there's a DA that 01:42:21.199 --> 01:42:23.896 was recently lodged in Orin Park so 01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:26.536 if we don't take a forward step and 01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:29.560 do this then other people will also 01:42:29.679 --> 01:42:31.976 just in addition to that I know a 01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:33.496 fair few people that have studied film 01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:35.576 production and the job industry in 01:42:35.600 --> 01:42:37.175 Wollongong is very tough for them They 01:42:37.199 --> 01:42:40.056 have to travel far and wide to do 01:42:40.080 --> 01:42:41.416 what they to do what they love and to do 01:42:41.440 --> 01:42:43.816 what they've studied and just finally 01:42:43.840 --> 01:42:46.376 on a little bit of a side tangent it 01:42:46.400 --> 01:42:47.976 would be great if we had a cinema in the 01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:49.496 center of Wollongong so we could watch 01:42:49.520 --> 01:42:51.576 films funny produced in Wongong in 01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:54.600 Wollongong thank you 01:42:55.440 --> 01:42:58.440 Oh thank you All right Yeah Okay Can I 01:42:58.960 --> 01:43:01.736 just say that not having a cinema in 01:43:01.760 --> 01:43:04.376 Wulong I've been known to say is like 01:43:04.400 --> 01:43:07.400 having a smile without front teeth 01:43:07.440 --> 01:43:10.135 and that is we aren't quite we're not 01:43:10.159 --> 01:43:12.456 there yet We really need that cinema 01:43:12.480 --> 01:43:14.456 but that's a different matter Can I 01:43:14.480 --> 01:43:17.175 thank councelor Campbell for bringing 01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:20.199 this and councelor councelor Hayes 01:43:20.719 --> 01:43:22.615 and everybody else who's been supportive 01:43:22.639 --> 01:43:25.639 This is a great resolution We have 01:43:27.760 --> 01:43:30.456 come quite some distance over the last 01:43:30.480 --> 01:43:32.376 15 years 01:43:32.400 --> 01:43:35.400 for our conversations and enthusiasm 01:43:36.159 --> 01:43:39.159 around the capacity of our local 01:43:40.080 --> 01:43:43.080 creatives and filmmies and techies and 01:43:43.440 --> 01:43:46.440 set builders to be able to work 01:43:47.920 --> 01:43:50.920 locally as well as to be recognized that 01:43:51.280 --> 01:43:54.280 we do in fact have a very strong and 01:43:54.719 --> 01:43:56.016 skilled 01:43:56.040 --> 01:43:59.040 group of film workers and 01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:03.695 actors script writers 01:44:03.719 --> 01:44:06.719 and I'm always amazed where 01:44:09.520 --> 01:44:12.215 Woolong and the Illawarrara ends up I know 01:44:12.239 --> 01:44:15.056 that there's a particularly 01:44:15.080 --> 01:44:18.080 interesting story about an English 01:44:18.719 --> 01:44:21.719 dairy company who don't do their filming 01:44:23.360 --> 01:44:26.360 around dairy in England They come to 01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:30.000 Jambaroo because the weather is 01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:33.520 more pleasant and it kind of looks 01:44:34.159 --> 01:44:37.016 English so it's a hell of a long way 01:44:37.040 --> 01:44:40.040 to film a something a bunch of cows but 01:44:41.119 --> 01:44:43.816 obviously it's viable maybe I should 01:44:43.840 --> 01:44:45.336 have declared a conflict of interest 01:44:45.360 --> 01:44:47.576 except I have no formal role anymore 01:44:47.600 --> 01:44:50.215 with the servo except I hassled the bag 01:44:50.239 --> 01:44:52.456 out of the owner out of a venue manager 01:44:52.480 --> 01:44:55.480 that we recently hosted a film there 01:44:56.400 --> 01:44:59.175 and were able to generate a significant 01:44:59.199 --> 01:45:02.135 amount of money out of that as 01:45:02.159 --> 01:45:04.856 compared to another ad that was hosted 01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:07.880 at that venue for the Lexus And we were 01:45:08.320 --> 01:45:11.016 all going at the time there are 11 of us 01:45:11.040 --> 01:45:13.256 involved with that venue and we're 01:45:13.280 --> 01:45:16.280 going "Oh maybe we could ask 01:45:16.679 --> 01:45:19.679 $2,000 Oh oh maybe that's too much Lexus 01:45:20.719 --> 01:45:22.416 I think we got 01:45:22.440 --> 01:45:25.440 $4,000 and they mucked around and did 01:45:26.159 --> 01:45:28.615 things and but they did put things back 01:45:28.639 --> 01:45:31.639 so not only do places and bridges and 01:45:33.600 --> 01:45:36.600 farmland and things get used as very 01:45:37.679 --> 01:45:40.679 muchloved locations but our 01:45:41.600 --> 01:45:44.536 techies and filmmakers and directors get 01:45:44.560 --> 01:45:47.175 to work locally and I look forward to 01:45:47.199 --> 01:45:50.135 even more films being made And I'll 01:45:50.159 --> 01:45:52.776 finish off with a film called Tender 01:45:52.800 --> 01:45:54.456 which was about the development of 01:45:54.480 --> 01:45:57.480 tender funerals And it was 01:45:59.440 --> 01:46:01.816 previewed at the Adelaide Film Festival 01:46:01.840 --> 01:46:04.615 It's now been all over the world and 01:46:04.639 --> 01:46:07.376 in festivals all over the world talking 01:46:07.400 --> 01:46:10.400 about Wulong talking about Port Kemla 01:46:10.880 --> 01:46:12.456 There's a whole section on the 01:46:12.480 --> 01:46:15.480 Helensburg cemetery and and that 01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:21.000 has contributed in all sorts of ways to 01:46:21.840 --> 01:46:24.840 the success of a local social enterprise 01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:27.576 that otherwise may not have gotten that 01:46:27.600 --> 01:46:30.296 bit of a boost So not only does the film 01:46:30.320 --> 01:46:33.320 industry provide a sense of pride but 01:46:34.639 --> 01:46:37.639 it can also provide a sense of moment 01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:40.856 to ideas and causes that otherwise may 01:46:40.880 --> 01:46:43.655 not get the audience they deserve So I 01:46:43.679 --> 01:46:45.816 thank you Councelor Campbell and I 01:46:45.840 --> 01:46:48.095 really look forward to 01:46:48.119 --> 01:46:51.119 I think somebody said something along 01:46:51.520 --> 01:46:54.520 the lines of Wallywood or Wolf Woot or I 01:46:56.560 --> 01:46:58.936 don't know but either way let's see 01:46:58.960 --> 01:47:01.095 what happens But it's another one Do not 01:47:01.119 --> 01:47:03.416 hold your breath 01:47:03.440 --> 01:47:05.736 Councelor Hayes 01:47:05.760 --> 01:47:08.760 thanks Lord Mayor In the interest of of 01:47:09.360 --> 01:47:12.296 sharing possibly non pecuniary types of 01:47:12.320 --> 01:47:13.576 conflict interest I think I need to 01:47:13.600 --> 01:47:15.256 declare that movies and TV are my number 01:47:15.280 --> 01:47:18.280 one love in life I would bet that I 01:47:18.719 --> 01:47:20.296 have seen more movies than probably 01:47:20.320 --> 01:47:22.936 combined people in this room but what 01:47:22.960 --> 01:47:25.816 I did want to touch upon is firstly a 01:47:25.840 --> 01:47:27.175 cinema in Wollongong would be great 01:47:27.199 --> 01:47:29.095 However it would send me broke it 01:47:29.119 --> 01:47:31.175 already does down at Warawong and also 01:47:31.199 --> 01:47:34.199 in Shell Harbor So maybe for my own 01:47:35.040 --> 01:47:36.936 sanity maybe not but I would love to 01:47:36.960 --> 01:47:38.376 have one But what I really want to 01:47:38.400 --> 01:47:39.655 seriously talk about is the second part 01:47:39.679 --> 01:47:41.896 of this motion how important it is to 01:47:41.920 --> 01:47:43.736 get in on the ground floor and and to 01:47:43.760 --> 01:47:44.856 contribute to the development and 01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:46.336 guidelines and processes surrounding 01:47:46.360 --> 01:47:48.215 accreditation The reason I want to focus 01:47:48.239 --> 01:47:49.655 on that is to make sure that it's not 01:47:49.679 --> 01:47:52.536 Sydney centric to make sure that this 01:47:52.560 --> 01:47:55.560 is looked at outside because what we 01:47:55.600 --> 01:47:58.536 can provide can be different and as 01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:00.536 well as complimentary to where the 01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:02.456 existing studios and existing filming 01:48:02.480 --> 01:48:04.536 often happens so I just want to 01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:06.376 really want to applaud that second part 01:48:06.400 --> 01:48:07.976 as well as applaud the state government 01:48:08.000 --> 01:48:11.000 for looking at this and realizing the 01:48:11.440 --> 01:48:14.440 economic benefit of of film and TV 01:48:16.400 --> 01:48:18.215 not just for our entertainment value but 01:48:18.239 --> 01:48:20.695 for the jobs that it provides the 01:48:20.719 --> 01:48:23.719 economy that it generates with it but 01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:25.256 would love would have been very 01:48:25.280 --> 01:48:27.256 disappointed if this was just focused on 01:48:27.280 --> 01:48:29.416 Sydney but to have one on the ground 01:48:29.440 --> 01:48:31.736 floor one counselor for bringing this 01:48:31.760 --> 01:48:34.760 to us I'm sure get full support 01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:37.896 just briefly I'll add my support to 01:48:37.920 --> 01:48:40.920 Holly Gong Copyright that one No Okay 01:48:42.719 --> 01:48:45.256 I just I think this is so important that 01:48:45.280 --> 01:48:47.336 we are putting our hand up early being 01:48:47.360 --> 01:48:49.576 proactive on this wanting to be involved 01:48:49.600 --> 01:48:51.655 in this So thank you councelor Campbell 01:48:51.679 --> 01:48:54.215 for bringing this forward we saw 01:48:54.239 --> 01:48:57.016 recently the benefits to our community 01:48:57.040 --> 01:48:58.856 from Russell Crow and Chris 01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:00.456 Hemsworth and I don't know how many 01:49:00.480 --> 01:49:01.976 people went down to the harbor to buy a 01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:04.135 donut just to walk past one of the 01:49:04.159 --> 01:49:07.016 Hemsworths and I think out at Port 01:49:07.040 --> 01:49:08.376 Kembler there were many people walking 01:49:08.400 --> 01:49:11.400 their dogs as well No I did not go down 01:49:11.920 --> 01:49:14.920 But but the economic generator of 01:49:16.800 --> 01:49:19.175 one of our other buildings in Port 01:49:19.199 --> 01:49:21.976 Kembla housed the makeup truck and 01:49:22.000 --> 01:49:23.576 housed them for there So people were 01:49:23.600 --> 01:49:25.736 booking the catering whether you're 01:49:25.760 --> 01:49:27.655 an extra as councelor Campbell has been 01:49:27.679 --> 01:49:30.376 in the past the money that gets spent 01:49:30.400 --> 01:49:33.400 in town is significant I recently met 01:49:33.440 --> 01:49:35.175 with the office of the British 01:49:35.199 --> 01:49:37.736 council general he came to town to 01:49:37.760 --> 01:49:39.976 understand about Wollongong And in our 01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:42.695 conversation as I was spruing Project 01:49:42.719 --> 01:49:44.695 Emily at Blue Scope and our desire to 01:49:44.719 --> 01:49:47.576 have a film studio there he was aware of 01:49:47.600 --> 01:49:49.496 an English studio coming to town or 01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:52.520 wanting to come to Australia So while 01:49:52.719 --> 01:49:55.336 there is interest in Orin Park there are 01:49:55.360 --> 01:49:58.296 multiple interests here So there is a 01:49:58.320 --> 01:50:00.536 real opportunity for us and other 01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:03.496 communities to benefit from this so I 01:50:03.520 --> 01:50:06.056 heartily endorse it and look forward 01:50:06.080 --> 01:50:09.080 to a town cinema of any sort coming to 01:50:09.679 --> 01:50:11.976 the region Well musicals send me 01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:15.000 break b counselor Hayes people in our 01:50:15.520 --> 01:50:17.896 community often stop me to say that is 01:50:17.920 --> 01:50:20.135 what they miss the most So if anyone out 01:50:20.159 --> 01:50:21.496 there would like to build a cinema for 01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:23.336 Wollongong please come and talk to us 01:50:23.360 --> 01:50:25.816 thank you councelor Campbell right 01:50:25.840 --> 01:50:27.976 apply No that I'll put the motion All 01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:30.376 those in favor against declare that 01:50:30.400 --> 01:50:32.615 carried thank you 01:50:32.639 --> 01:50:35.639 Item 18 Council Hayes Yep Seconder 01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:39.000 Council Martin Richard Martin thank you 01:50:39.040 --> 01:50:41.976 thanks Lord Mayor what our community 01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:44.056 needs now and in the future is important 01:50:44.080 --> 01:50:46.615 housing child care age care tourism 01:50:46.639 --> 01:50:48.215 accommodation are just some of the items 01:50:48.239 --> 01:50:49.816 in the eight months since being 01:50:49.840 --> 01:50:51.576 elected that's been discussed as Wongong 01:50:51.600 --> 01:50:53.655 needing more We can chuck a cinema into 01:50:53.679 --> 01:50:56.679 that as well In some cases targets have 01:50:56.960 --> 01:50:58.936 been identified to meet expected 01:50:58.960 --> 01:51:01.576 population growth changing demographics 01:51:01.600 --> 01:51:03.655 and of course the housing crisis our 01:51:03.679 --> 01:51:06.215 country has found itself in Now council 01:51:06.239 --> 01:51:07.976 is not in the game of providing most of 01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:09.576 these items We of course focus on the 01:51:09.600 --> 01:51:11.896 social infrastructures libraries pools 01:51:11.920 --> 01:51:13.695 halls and community centers and much 01:51:13.719 --> 01:51:16.695 more So we have the levers that we can 01:51:16.719 --> 01:51:18.936 move around to get the balance right for 01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:21.496 private development with the factors 01:51:21.520 --> 01:51:23.655 that we can control We may provide 01:51:23.679 --> 01:51:25.976 incentives resoning improved processes 01:51:26.000 --> 01:51:27.496 and other elements to try and meet the 01:51:27.520 --> 01:51:30.056 needs of our community via encouraging 01:51:30.080 --> 01:51:32.336 the private sector for these particular 01:51:32.360 --> 01:51:34.536 items One of the other key ways we do 01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:36.456 that is through our strategic planning 01:51:36.480 --> 01:51:38.376 those highle docents that sometimes 01:51:38.400 --> 01:51:40.536 touch upon these development targets and 01:51:40.560 --> 01:51:43.256 sometimes focus specifically on them And 01:51:43.280 --> 01:51:44.936 there are a range of highle plans For 01:51:44.960 --> 01:51:46.695 example the local strategic planning 01:51:46.719 --> 01:51:48.536 docent highlights the housing needs 01:51:48.560 --> 01:51:51.095 and sets targets and looks at how we use 01:51:51.119 --> 01:51:54.119 land use to to meet those So I guess 01:51:55.280 --> 01:51:57.175 this motion is really about me wanting 01:51:57.199 --> 01:51:59.175 to know are we meeting those development 01:51:59.199 --> 01:52:02.199 specific targets of these plans by 01:52:02.400 --> 01:52:04.496 pulling these targets and reporting them 01:52:04.520 --> 01:52:06.695 regularly whether it's quarterly maybe 01:52:06.719 --> 01:52:08.135 it's more frequent maybe it's less 01:52:08.159 --> 01:52:10.456 frequent I'm not to that Maybe it 01:52:10.480 --> 01:52:12.695 becomes part of an existing report that 01:52:12.719 --> 01:52:15.095 already comes to council or maybe 01:52:15.119 --> 01:52:17.095 it's something new This is asking staff 01:52:17.119 --> 01:52:18.776 to work with counselors to come up with 01:52:18.800 --> 01:52:21.376 something where it to be supported 01:52:21.400 --> 01:52:23.896 tonight With the strategic plans all 01:52:23.920 --> 01:52:26.056 being isolated from each other Why why 01:52:26.080 --> 01:52:27.575 connected but they they're reported on 01:52:27.599 --> 01:52:29.336 differently I don't necessarily want to 01:52:29.360 --> 01:52:31.336 wait 5 years for the review of the 01:52:31.360 --> 01:52:32.856 strategic plan to know whether we 01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:34.936 achieved what we were hoping to achieve 01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:37.256 in regards to the developments I want to 01:52:37.280 --> 01:52:39.016 know if we're meeting them regularly I 01:52:39.040 --> 01:52:40.695 also want to know if applications are 01:52:40.719 --> 01:52:42.936 being lodged for those items and how 01:52:42.960 --> 01:52:44.536 many are being improved or not So it 01:52:44.560 --> 01:52:46.936 gives us a guide Are those levers 01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:49.816 working and we're not waiting years 01:52:49.840 --> 01:52:51.575 on end potentially to see whether our 01:52:51.599 --> 01:52:54.536 strategic plan worked or not that's 01:52:54.560 --> 01:52:55.976 the intent of this I look forward to 01:52:56.000 --> 01:52:57.175 hearing from others if any other 01:52:57.199 --> 01:52:58.615 questions Hope to do it I hope it gets 01:52:58.639 --> 01:53:01.496 supported but looking forward to the 01:53:01.520 --> 01:53:04.520 debate thank you thank you 01:53:05.520 --> 01:53:08.520 Any speakers 01:53:09.679 --> 01:53:12.679 no in that case I'll put the motion All 01:53:13.280 --> 01:53:16.215 those in favor against declare that 01:53:16.239 --> 01:53:19.239 carried thank you item 19 I have a 01:53:20.080 --> 01:53:23.080 mover Council Morris 01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:29.000 Noted Yes It's just to be noted thank 01:53:29.280 --> 01:53:32.280 you And a seconder Councelor 01:53:32.520 --> 01:53:35.520 Hayes All those in favor against declare 01:53:36.400 --> 01:53:39.400 that carried thank you Now we move into 01:53:43.960 --> 01:53:46.960 close session and I have a bit of 01:53:47.520 --> 01:53:48.816 paperwork to 01:53:48.840 --> 01:53:51.496 read I seek a mover and a second for a 01:53:51.520 --> 01:53:53.175 motion to close the meeting to consider 01:53:53.199 --> 01:53:55.896 a report that deals with Do I get the 01:53:55.920 --> 01:53:58.536 mover first or read all of it council 01:53:58.560 --> 01:54:00.296 Hayes is going to move it Councelor 01:54:00.320 --> 01:54:02.615 Stewart is seconding it thank you Item 01:54:02.639 --> 01:54:04.896 C1 Commonwealth Funded 01:54:04.920 --> 01:54:07.816 Programs in accordance with section 10 01:54:07.840 --> 01:54:09.936 A2 bracket A 01:54:09.960 --> 01:54:12.960 DI of the Local Government Act 1993 As a 01:54:13.760 --> 01:54:15.896 report contains personnel matters 01:54:15.920 --> 01:54:18.376 concerning particular individuals and 01:54:18.400 --> 01:54:20.215 commercial information of a confidential 01:54:20.239 --> 01:54:23.175 nature that would if disclosed prejudice 01:54:23.199 --> 01:54:25.095 the commercial position of the person 01:54:25.119 --> 01:54:27.575 who supplied it on ballots The public 01:54:27.599 --> 01:54:29.016 interest in preserving the 01:54:29.040 --> 01:54:30.695 confidentiality of the information 01:54:30.719 --> 01:54:32.776 supplied in the items outweighs the 01:54:32.800 --> 01:54:34.536 public interest in openness and 01:54:34.560 --> 01:54:37.016 transparency in council decision-making 01:54:37.040 --> 01:54:39.575 by discussing the matter in open meeting 01:54:39.599 --> 01:54:41.095 are there any members of the public 01:54:41.119 --> 01:54:42.776 present that object to the closure of 01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:44.896 the meeting in line with reasons 01:54:44.920 --> 01:54:47.296 provided pausing for 01:54:47.320 --> 01:54:50.320 response I think everyone has left As no 01:54:51.920 --> 01:54:54.536 rep representations have been received 01:54:54.560 --> 01:54:56.135 from members of the public objecting to 01:54:56.159 --> 01:54:57.496 the closure of this section of the 01:54:57.520 --> 01:54:59.575 meeting I will put the motion All those 01:54:59.599 --> 01:55:02.599 in favor against declare that carried 01:55:02.880 --> 01:55:05.880 thank you the webcast will be paused 01:55:06.239 --> 01:55:09.239 while council considers the 01:55:11.719 --> 01:55:14.719 item Okay I can advise that whilst in 01:55:14.960 --> 01:55:17.256 closed session council resolved as 01:55:17.280 --> 01:55:19.936 follows Item C1 Commonwealth funded 01:55:19.960 --> 01:55:22.456 programs That one council acknowledge 01:55:22.480 --> 01:55:24.296 and thank those staff and volunteers 01:55:24.320 --> 01:55:26.135 who've delivered Comwalth Home Support 01:55:26.159 --> 01:55:28.456 Program and Community Transport Program 01:55:28.480 --> 01:55:30.695 disadvantage funded services to the 01:55:30.719 --> 01:55:33.719 community Two due to changes proposed to 01:55:33.760 --> 01:55:36.760 the Comwalth Funded CHSP program 01:55:36.800 --> 01:55:38.376 following the introduction of the Age 01:55:38.400 --> 01:55:41.400 Care Act 2024 council advised the 01:55:41.440 --> 01:55:42.936 Australian government department of 01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:45.095 health and age care it will not be 01:55:45.119 --> 01:55:46.615 seeking renewal of funding for the 01:55:46.639 --> 01:55:49.336 provision of community transport 1 July 01:55:49.360 --> 01:55:51.856 2025 to 30 June 01:55:51.880 --> 01:55:54.856 2027 Three due to changes proposed from 01:55:54.880 --> 01:55:56.655 the introduction of the age care act 01:55:56.679 --> 01:55:59.336 2024 council advised transport for New 01:55:59.360 --> 01:56:01.175 South Wales it will not be seeking 01:56:01.199 --> 01:56:04.199 renewal of CTP funding for 1 July 2025 01:56:04.800 --> 01:56:07.575 to 30 June 2027 01:56:07.599 --> 01:56:10.056 Four council work with staff volunteers 01:56:10.080 --> 01:56:11.976 casuals and clients to prepare for the 01:56:12.000 --> 01:56:14.056 conclusion of Wollongong Shaw Harbor 01:56:14.080 --> 01:56:16.695 Community Transport Services as per the 01:56:16.719 --> 01:56:19.719 current contract on 30 June 2025 and 01:56:19.920 --> 01:56:21.816 commence transition with identified 01:56:21.840 --> 01:56:24.840 alternate provider on 1 July 2025 01:56:25.760 --> 01:56:27.896 Five note council has received an 01:56:27.920 --> 01:56:30.695 extension of CHSP funding for the social 01:56:30.719 --> 01:56:33.719 support service 1 July 2025 to 30 June 01:56:34.920 --> 01:56:37.920 2027 at which time CHSP will cease as a 01:56:38.880 --> 01:56:41.655 funding program Council prepare a 01:56:41.679 --> 01:56:44.135 transition plan to exit social support 01:56:44.159 --> 01:56:47.159 services prior to 30 June 2027 to ensure 01:56:48.159 --> 01:56:50.296 effective and appropriate transition of 01:56:50.320 --> 01:56:52.496 service users to new 01:56:52.520 --> 01:56:54.776 services There endeth the meeting thank 01:56:54.800 --> 01:56:57.800 you very much everyone